<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Kevin,<br><br></div>I think that I am aware of this.<br><br></div>Paul<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Kevin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Paul</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">I guess that what I was trying to suggest in a simple way
is that you are not dealing with a simple problem. What you are dealing
with is </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">"3 dimensional unsteady state heat transfer through
beds of irregularly sized broken solids, with irregular shape factors,
changing size, and changing state."</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Best wishes,</font></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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<div><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
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<a title="paul.olivier@esrla.com" href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" target="_blank">Paul
Olivier</a> </div>
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</div><div><div class="h5"><div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:40
PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] corn cobs and
char?</div>
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<div>Kevin,<br><br></div>Note that I used the phrase "sufficiently uniform". I
have experimented with several forms of loose biomass in no way as uniform as
rice hulls, such as coffee husks. Some work quite
nicely.<br><br></div></div></div>
<div>But I would not venture a guess about the wooden spheres you
describe.<br></div>
<div>I like to see a certain resistance to air or gas flow.<br></div>
<div>We can't say much until we run tests.<br></div>
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<div>Thanks.<br></div>
<div>Paul<br></div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Kevin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Paul</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> <a title="paul.olivier@esrla.com" href="mailto:paul.olivier@esrla.com" target="_blank">Paul Olivier</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:38
PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] corn cobs and
char?</div>
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<div>Ron,<br><br></div>
<div>In a TLUD it's all about the uniformity of air flow. <br>If corn cobs
were cut to the same length, they just might be sufficiently
uniform.</div>
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<div><font face="Arial"># I think it is a bit more complex that "unifiorm
length." With a given species of fuel, I think it is more a relation of
relative size (that would determine pressure drop and uniformity of flow
across the fuel bed), and surface area and diameter of the fuel particle.
(That will have a large impact on fuel burning
characteristics.) </font></div><font face="Arial"></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">For example, consider a TLUD running on wood spheres
of say 1/4" daimeter, and 1" diameter. Such stoves would have quite
different operating characteristics.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Best wishes,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
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<div>Thanks.<br><br></div>Paul Olivier<br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Ronal W. Larson
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">List:<br><br> Anyone have any data on
using corn cobs in char-making stoves? The supply would seem to be
large and likely low
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