<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Ron and Josh,<br><br></div>Take heart. An article appeared today in the New York Times entitled "Welcome to the Age of Denial." The author, Adam Frank, puts things in perspective quite nicely:<br>
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/opinion/welcome-to-the-age-of-denial.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130822">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/opinion/welcome-to-the-age-of-denial.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130822</a><br>
</div><div>Frank is a professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Rochester. The language that he uses is not the language of religion or politics. It's the language of science, and yet it is, at times, tough and brutal. Let me quote just a few lines:<br>
</div><br><i>Meanwhile, climate deniers, taking pages from the creationists’ PR
playbook, have manufactured doubt about fundamental issues in climate
science that were decided scientifically decades ago.</i>..<br><br><i>North Carolina has banned state planners from using climate data in their projections of future sea levels...<br><br>From one end of their educational trajectory to the other, our society
told these kids science was important. How confusing is it for them now,
when scientists receive death threats for simply doing honest research
on our planet’s climate history? </i><br><br></div>I encourage everyone to read the entire article. Let no one try to take the high road and say that climate issues should not influence the way we design stoves.<br>
<br></div>Thanks.<br></div>Paul<br><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Ronal W. Larson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Josh cc list:</div><div><br></div><div> I hope you will reconsider, given the source: a self professed climate denier. Below is why the claimed "identical" ordinates is so diabolically clever. Don't show the ordinate scale. Present only the cherry picked data. Don't show the fact that there is a long-term trend (and recently a half degree C in about 30 years?). Don't show ocean temperatures.</div>
<div><br></div><div><img src="cid:65F66434-5527-41DF-A156-30D89F551E5E" height="480" width="652"></div><div><br></div><div>Apologies to Andrew H. for this continuation - but it would seem part of the rules of fair play. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I don't want to lose Josh, who is maybe not understanding that his departure might have been premeditated (too many "believers" on this list?) </div><div><br></div><div> Ron </div><div>
<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div class="im"><div>On Aug 21, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Josh Kearns <<a href="mailto:yeah.yeah.right.on@gmail.com" target="_blank">yeah.yeah.right.on@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="im"><div dir="ltr">OK, I'm unsubscribing.<div><br></div><div>JK</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">“<a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/20/when-somebody-hits-you-with-that-new-ipcc-is-95-certain-talking-point-show-them-this/#more-91971http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/20/when-somebody-hits-you-with-that-new-ipcc-is-95-certain-talking-point-show-them-this/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">When somebody hits you with that new ‘IPCC is 95% certain’ talking point on global warming, show them this</span></a>”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Which of these two charts shows the global temperature from 1895 to 1946, caused entirely natural variation, and which chart shows the global temperature from 1957 to 2008 with the additional warming from anthropogenic CO<sub>2</sub> above and beyond the natural variation?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/1895-1946_1957-2008_temperature-compare.png" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><image001.jpg></span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Can you spot the human influence?<span><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p>
<span><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Crispin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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