<div dir="ltr"><div><div>No one denies that designing stoves that impact human health in a positive manner is important. But if we can design stoves that meet goals relating to human health <u>and </u>the environment, then it makes sense to do so. And it make sense to discuss the design of such stoves on this stove list. There are broader issues involved than just human health. Let us go back to this phrase that appears in a GACC document: tier 4 stoves "stretch goals which achieve significant health <u>and/or </u>environmental goals." And within the same document, under global environmental goals, mention is made of reducing the emission of greenhouse gases. Is CO2 not a greenhouse gas? Does it not warm our planet? Does some of it not end up in our oceans and make it more alkaline to the extent that it harms many forms of aquatic life? The real work on the ground is not just what happens in a kitchen. It is also what happens when sea levels begin to rise, when one third of the Mekong lies underwater, when oceans acidify, when shellfish die, when glaciers melt, when polar bears no longer have a home and so forth. As we broaden our vision, we just might end up designing much better stoves.<br>
<br></div>Many thanks.<br></div>Paul Olivier<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 2:10 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rbtvl@aol.com" target="_blank">rbtvl@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font style="background-color:transparent" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have been silent. but..... It doesn't make any difference what any of us think about the source of global warming. I happen to think humans have caused it. but so what? What I think doesn't matter. Not in the least. My work with the women in the field, doing the best design and distribution work we can do, saving them three afternoons of menial wood gathering labor every week, getting the smoke out of their houses, preserving for a while their disappearing forests, doesn't depend in any way on whether I think it is getting warmer because of a century of industrialization in the northern hemisphere, or because of some other reason. We design for less fuel burned, for less emissions of all kinds inside and outside, especially where people are breathing, don't we?. My analysis of the impact of the industrial revolution is hardly relevant.</font></div>
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