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<BR> 1. Re: Fwd: Problems with rats eatign briquettes (Richard Stanley)
<BR> 2. Re: Fwd: Problems with rats eatign briquettes
<BR> (Ronald Hongsermeier)
<BR> 3. Re: Fwd: Problems with rats eatign briquettes
<BR> (Energies Naturals C.B.)
<BR> 4. Re: Fwd: Problems with rats eatign briquettes
<BR> (George Riegg Gambia)
<BR> 5. Re: Fwd: Problems with rats eatign briquettes
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<BR>Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:45:27 -0700
<BR>From: Richard Stanley <rstanley@legacyfound.org>
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<BR>Subject: Re: [Stoves] Fwd: Problems with rats eatign briquettes
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<BR>Ronald,
<BR>Cute but you know what happens to a briquette when you hit it with an air rifle?Much less the implications o the project in a post war setting such s northern Guatemala?
<BR>Richard
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Ronald Hongsermeier wrote:
<BR>
<BR>A good air rifle with a night scope and a watchman who can shoot will do wonders.
<BR>
<BR>probably not to practicable, but there are guys in GB who de-infest ag buildings of rats and pigeons using this method.
<BR>
<BR>They're pretty smart so after a while they won't show up.
<BR>
<BR>regards,
<BR>
<BR>ronald von tropenbayern
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>On 06.08.2013 17:26, Richard Stanley wrote:
<BR>> Hi all,
<BR>> My own suggestions are put wire wool in the briquettes a small amount, as I know the rats will not try to get through that if, used to plug a hole in the hidden corners of the house. other suggestion hanging them on a wire ( as we saw in Huehe / Sta Eulalia or changing the blend to something rats do not like to eat, which is either neutral or still combustible and in either case does not emit noxious smoke or gasses at elevated temperature. These are just my ideas.I have not ever tested them myself.
<BR>>
<BR>> So for anybody with similar experience, what was/is your solution?
<BR>>
<BR>> Please send to Gustavo Molina ccyd below directly and ccy to the rest of us.
<BR>> Thanks in advance,
<BR>>
<BR>> Richard Stanley
<BR>> www,legacyfound.org
<BR>> =============
<BR>> Begin forwarded message:
<BR>>
<BR>> From: "Gustavo Molina" <ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org>
<BR>> Date: August 5, 2013 8:45:24 AM PDT
<BR>> To: "Richard Stanley" <rstanley@legacyfound.org>
<BR>> Subject: Problems
<BR>>
<BR>> Dear Richard,
<BR>>
<BR>> We are having some problems here. Rats are eating our eco-le?as. We are figuring what to do. Rats are always so tricky to handle. Have you heard of clever solutions world wide?
<BR>>
<BR>> Saludos,
<BR>>
<BR>>
<BR>>
<BR>>
<BR>> Gustavo A. Molina
<BR>> Project Coordinator
<BR>> Environment, Climate Change Agriculture and Eco-le?a
<BR>> tel. 2332-3659 / cel: 5717-2240
<BR>> ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org
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<BR>From: Ronald Hongsermeier <rwhongser@web.de>
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<BR>Dear Richard,
<BR>
<BR>On the one hand, I was trying to be a bit cute; however, animal pests
<BR>are sometimes dealt with best by violence.
<BR>
<BR>When you hit a briquette with an air rifle you have acceptable
<BR>collateral damage. Naturally, you should aim to hit the rodents.
<BR>
<BR>I think you'll have cost effectiveness problems with the steel wool method.
<BR>
<BR>If someone in a given area became proficient with the methodology and
<BR>tools necessary the sniping alternative might turn out to be something
<BR>that is generally good for the community, especially in view of the fast
<BR>population growth of rat infestations.
<BR>
<BR>For those who not offended by hunting rodent pests.
<BR>
<BR>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS_jxZTQ5Cg
<BR>
<BR>the effectiveness is a good arguing point.
<BR>
<BR>regards,
<BR>
<BR>Ronald v Gesternabendverhageltimbiergarten
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>On 07.08.2013 07:45, Richard Stanley wrote:
<BR>> Ronald,
<BR>> Cute but you know what happens to a briquette when you hit it with an
<BR>> air rifle?Much less the implications o the project in a post war
<BR>> setting such s northern Guatemala?
<BR>> Richard
<BR>>
<BR>>
<BR>> On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Ronald Hongsermeier wrote:
<BR>>
<BR>> A good air rifle with a night scope and a watchman who can shoot will
<BR>> do wonders.
<BR>>
<BR>> probably not to practicable, but there are guys in GB who de-infest ag
<BR>> buildings of rats and pigeons using this method.
<BR>>
<BR>> They're pretty smart so after a while they won't show up.
<BR>>
<BR>> regards,
<BR>>
<BR>> ronald von tropenbayern
<BR>>
<BR>>
<BR>> On 06.08.2013 17:26, Richard Stanley wrote:
<BR>>> Hi all,
<BR>>> My own suggestions are put wire wool in the briquettes a small
<BR>>> amount, as I know the rats will not try to get through that if, used
<BR>>> to plug a hole in the hidden corners of the house. other suggestion
<BR>>> hanging them on a wire ( as we saw in Huehe / Sta Eulalia or
<BR>>> changing the blend to something rats do not like to eat, which is
<BR>>> either neutral or still combustible and in either case does not emit
<BR>>> noxious smoke or gasses at elevated temperature. These are just my
<BR>>> ideas.I have not ever tested them myself.
<BR>>>
<BR>>> So for anybody with similar experience, what was/is your solution?
<BR>>>
<BR>>> Please send to Gustavo Molina ccyd below directly and ccy to the
<BR>>> rest of us.
<BR>>> Thanks in advance,
<BR>>>
<BR>>> Richard Stanley
<BR>>> www,legacyfound.org <http://legacyfound.org/>
<BR>>> =============
<BR>>> Begin forwarded message:
<BR>>>
<BR>>> *From: *"Gustavo Molina" <ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org
<BR>>> <mailto:ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org>>
<BR>>> *Date: *August 5, 2013 8:45:24 AM PDT
<BR>>> *To: *"Richard Stanley" <rstanley@legacyfound.org
<BR>>> <mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org>>
<BR>>> *Subject: **Problems*
<BR>>>
<BR>>> Dear Richard,
<BR>>>
<BR>>> We are having some problems here. Rats are eating our eco-le?as. We
<BR>>> are figuring what to do. Rats are always so tricky to handle. Have
<BR>>> you heard of clever solutions world wide?
<BR>>>
<BR>>> Saludos,
<BR>>>
<BR>>>
<BR>>>
<BR>>>
<BR>>> Gustavo A. Molina
<BR>>> Project Coordinator
<BR>>> Environment, Climate Change Agriculture and Eco-le?a
<BR>>> tel. 2332-3659 / cel: 5717-2240
<BR>>> ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org
<BR>>> <mailto:ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org>
<BR>>> www.fundacionprogresarguatemala.org
<BR>>> <http://www.fundacionprogresarguatemala.org/>
<BR>>>
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<BR>From: "Energies Naturals C.B." <energiesnaturals@gmx.de>
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<BR>could the addition of castor seeds to the pellets be an answer?
<BR>
<BR>Rolf
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<BR>On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 12:14:52 +0200
<BR>Ronald Hongsermeier <rwhongser@web.de> wrote:
<BR>
<BR>> Dear Richard,
<BR>>
<BR>> On the one hand, I was trying to be a bit cute; however, animal pests
<BR>> are sometimes dealt with best by violence.
<BR>>
<BR>> When you hit a briquette with an air rifle you have acceptable
<BR>> collateral damage. Naturally, you should aim to hit the rodents.
<BR>>
<BR>> I think you'll have cost effectiveness problems with the steel wool method.
<BR>>
<BR>> If someone in a given area became proficient with the methodology and
<BR>> tools necessary the sniping alternative might turn out to be something
<BR>> that is generally good for the community, especially in view of the fast
<BR>> population growth of rat infestations.
<BR>>
<BR>> For those who not offended by hunting rodent pests.
<BR>>
<BR>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS_jxZTQ5Cg
<BR>>
<BR>> the effectiveness is a good arguing point.
<BR>>
<BR>> regards,
<BR>>
<BR>> Ronald v Gesternabendverhageltimbiergarten
<BR>>
<BR>>
<BR>>
<BR>> On 07.08.2013 07:45, Richard Stanley wrote:
<BR>> > Ronald,
<BR>> > Cute but you know what happens to a briquette when you hit it with an
<BR>> > air rifle?Much less the implications o the project in a post war
<BR>> > setting such s northern Guatemala?
<BR>> > Richard
<BR>> >
<BR>> >
<BR>> > On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Ronald Hongsermeier wrote:
<BR>> >
<BR>> > A good air rifle with a night scope and a watchman who can shoot will
<BR>> > do wonders.
<BR>> >
<BR>> > probably not to practicable, but there are guys in GB who de-infest ag
<BR>> > buildings of rats and pigeons using this method.
<BR>> >
<BR>> > They're pretty smart so after a while they won't show up.
<BR>> >
<BR>> > regards,
<BR>> >
<BR>> > ronald von tropenbayern
<BR>> >
<BR>> >
<BR>> > On 06.08.2013 17:26, Richard Stanley wrote:
<BR>> >> Hi all,
<BR>> >> My own suggestions are put wire wool in the briquettes a small
<BR>> >> amount, as I know the rats will not try to get through that if, used
<BR>> >> to plug a hole in the hidden corners of the house. other suggestion
<BR>> >> hanging them on a wire ( as we saw in Huehe / Sta Eulalia or
<BR>> >> changing the blend to something rats do not like to eat, which is
<BR>> >> either neutral or still combustible and in either case does not emit
<BR>> >> noxious smoke or gasses at elevated temperature. These are just my
<BR>> >> ideas.I have not ever tested them myself.
<BR>> >>
<BR>> >> So for anybody with similar experience, what was/is your solution?
<BR>> >>
<BR>> >> Please send to Gustavo Molina ccyd below directly and ccy to the
<BR>> >> rest of us.
<BR>> >> Thanks in advance,
<BR>> >>
<BR>> >> Richard Stanley
<BR>> >> www,legacyfound.org <http://legacyfound.org/>
<BR>> >> =============
<BR>> >> Begin forwarded message:
<BR>> >>
<BR>> >> *From: *"Gustavo Molina" <ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org
<BR>> >> <mailto:ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org>>
<BR>> >> *Date: *August 5, 2013 8:45:24 AM PDT
<BR>> >> *To: *"Richard Stanley" <rstanley@legacyfound.org
<BR>> >> <mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org>>
<BR>> >> *Subject: **Problems*
<BR>> >>
<BR>> >> Dear Richard,
<BR>> >>
<BR>> >> We are having some problems here. Rats are eating our eco-le?as. We
<BR>> >> are figuring what to do. Rats are always so tricky to handle. Have
<BR>> >> you heard of clever solutions world wide?
<BR>> >>
<BR>> >> Saludos,
<BR>> >>
<BR>> >>
<BR>> >>
<BR>> >>
<BR>> >> Gustavo A. Molina
<BR>> >> Project Coordinator
<BR>> >> Environment, Climate Change Agriculture and Eco-le?a
<BR>> >> tel. 2332-3659 / cel: 5717-2240
<BR>> >> ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org
<BR>> >> <mailto:ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org>
<BR>> >> www.fundacionprogresarguatemala.org
<BR>> >> <http://www.fundacionprogresarguatemala.org/>
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<BR>Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 16:00:39 -0000
<BR>From: "George Riegg Gambia" <icecool@qanet.gm>
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<BR>Hi,
<BR>
<BR>We have found that planting alot of Catnip (Nepeta Cateraria) around the compound attracts cats - ergo rats learn THAT and tend to stay away. You also will be producing your own biomass as it grows rather vigorously.
<BR>
<BR>Cheers
<BR>George from the jungle
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<BR> Ronald,
<BR> Cute but you know what happens to a briquette when you hit it with an air rifle?Much less the implications o the project in a post war setting such s northern Guatemala?
<BR> Richard
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Ronald Hongsermeier wrote:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> A good air rifle with a night scope and a watchman who can shoot will do wonders.
<BR>
<BR> probably not to practicable, but there are guys in GB who de-infest ag buildings of rats and pigeons using this method.
<BR>
<BR> They're pretty smart so after a while they won't show up.
<BR>
<BR> regards,
<BR>
<BR> ronald von tropenbayern
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> On 06.08.2013 17:26, Richard Stanley wrote:
<BR>
<BR> Hi all,
<BR> My own suggestions are put wire wool in the briquettes a small amount, as I know the rats will not try to get through that if, used to plug a hole in the hidden corners of the house. other suggestion hanging them on a wire ( as we saw in Huehe / Sta Eulalia or changing the blend to something rats do not like to eat, which is either neutral or still combustible and in either case does not emit noxious smoke or gasses at elevated temperature. These are just my ideas.I have not ever tested them myself.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> So for anybody with similar experience, what was/is your solution?
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> Please send to Gustavo Molina ccyd below directly and ccy to the rest of us.
<BR> Thanks in advance,
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> Richard Stanley
<BR> www,legacyfound.org
<BR>
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<BR>
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<BR> From: "Gustavo Molina" <ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org>
<BR>
<BR> Date: August 5, 2013 8:45:24 AM PDT
<BR>
<BR> To: "Richard Stanley" <rstanley@legacyfound.org>
<BR>
<BR> Subject: Problems
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> Dear Richard,
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> We are having some problems here. Rats are eating our eco-le?as. We are figuring what to do. Rats are always so tricky to handle. Have you heard of clever solutions world wide?
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> Saludos,
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> Gustavo A. Molina
<BR> Project Coordinator
<BR> Environment, Climate Change Agriculture and Eco-le?a
<BR> tel. 2332-3659 / cel: 5717-2240
<BR> ambiente@fundacionprogresarguatemala.org
<BR> www.fundacionprogresarguatemala.org
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>That is a good idea. A small amount of cat-wee will keep rats away. Sheer
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