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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Crispin,<br>
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Someone <i>does</i> have "<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">a
[TLUD] stove that can use the fuel remaining</span>" -- but <i>also</i>
makes biochar. It's called a "T-Char" stove:<br>
<br>
<img src="cid:part1.01000703.08020203@sympatico.ca" alt=""
height="157" width="364"><br>
<br>
... and it is up the "user" to decide whether to keep the char
(for the soil) or "burn it down to ash".<br>
<br>
I can't comment on the overall "Efficiency" of the device (or its
derivatives), however.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72"> Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
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Canadian Biochar Initiative (CBI)
President, Co-founder & CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario
National Office, Canadian Carbon Farming Initiative (CCFI)
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"Technology is only a tool. Sustainability is determined not by the the individual technologies, but rather how -- and even whether -- we decide to use them."
- Lloyd Helferty</pre>
On 2013-09-04 12:27 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br>
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Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
am not sure why you use the word ‘rebuttal’. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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a. I am going to wait for release of the 72 slides from
the EPA webinar to answer much of this<span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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think that is a good idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">></span> -
since I am mostly trying to defend the material there, which
is at great odds with Crispin's approach (which I still do
not understand)<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With
respect to the issue of fuel remaining after a test, we
are in agreement. The slides may explain it to your
satisfaction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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b. I note that Crispin did not rebuttals one of my
points, <span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"> [RWL4: In the first sentence, assuming
that Crispin's "cannot" includes "is not designed to", I
would interchange the terms "under" and "over". This is
getting back to the issue of apples and oranges - where I
believe there is some validity in adding them - if/when one
is consciously attempting to maximize both, they
are expressed in the same (energy) units, and are calculated
with equivalent formulae. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Both
what? The apples are <b>stoves that can burn the
remaining fuel</b>. The oranges are stoves that cannot.<big><b>
If someone has a stove that can use the fuel remaining</b></big>
and chooses not to, that is a feature of the user, not the
stove and does not affect the rating given to the stove.
We don’t rate what people do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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