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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear A.D.,<br>
      There are many different sizes of briquettes. Is there a local
      standard size or shape? or is there a wide size range being used?<br>
      <br>
      Alex<br>
      <br>
      On 16/11/2013 9:12 PM, Anand Karve wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CACPy7ScxLWBkS0PB=HogUKLzCSBT1yqw-uyj269gT4E4d+ipPA@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div>Dear Kevin,</div>
      <div>at least in my State (Maharashtra, India), there are some 150
        factories which compress agricultural waste into fuel
        briquettes. They pay farmers Rs.2000 per ton (about US$33) for
        the agri-waste, so that the farmers transport it at their own
        cost to the factory. Industries use these briquettes as boiler
        fuel. Using biomass briquettes costs only 30% of what one would
        pay for fuel oil.<br>
        Yours</div>
      <div>A.D.Karve<br>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Kevin <span
          dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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            <div><font face="Arial">Dear AD</font></div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><font face="Arial">800,000,000 tons of Agricultural
                Waste is indeed a huge potential resource! How should it
                be handled to be of the highest possible value to the
                People of India?</font></div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><font face="Arial">Clearly:</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">* Some should be returned to the
                soil directly to improve soil organic matter</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">* Some should be composted, and
                added back to the soil</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">* Some should be converted to char
                for use as biochar</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">* Some should be converted to char
                for use as fuel</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">* Some should be used directly as
                fuel</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">* Some should be processed into
                pellets or briquettes for energy use</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">* Some should be used as animal feed</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">* Some should be incinerated simply
                to dispose of excess in the least costly manner</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">* Some should be used to make useful
                by-products</font></div>
            <div><font face="Arial">* Others....???</font></div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><font face="Arial">I would suggest that the People of
                India would get the greatest value for this potential
                resource if it was put to "diverse uses", rather than
                all being used for a single purpose. </font></div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><font face="Arial">Best wishes,</font></div>
            <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                <div> </div>
                <div><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
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                  <div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message
                    ----- </div>
                  <div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="adkarve@gmail.com"
                      href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com" target="_blank">Anand
                      Karve</a> </div>
                  <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
                      href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
                      target="_blank">Discussion of biomass cooking
                      stoves</a> </div>
                  <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday,
                    November 15, 2013 2:31 AM</div>
                  <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re:
                    [Stoves] planting trees ( the way I'd do it 1, 000,
                    000, 000 years from now)</div>
                  <div><br>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Dear Stovers,
                    <div> We convert agricultural waste into charcoal by
                      using a TLUD type of kiln and briquette the
                      powdery char. In India, we produce annually about
                      800 million tons of agricultural waste, which can
                      theoretically yield about 166 million tons of
                      charcoal. There is no need to cut any trees for
                      charcoal. </div>
                    <div>Yours</div>
                    <div>A.D.Karve</div>
                  </div>
                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at
                      9:43 PM, Cookswell Jikos <span dir="ltr"><<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:cookswelljikos@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">cookswelljikos@gmail.com</a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
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                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial">OK.... as discouraging as
                                the facts may be, the facts are reality,
                                and they must be dealt with to avoid
                                future problems.</font></div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial">1: Can different species be
                                grown, that have higher Mean Annual
                                Increments of growth?</font></div>
                          </div>
                          <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Yes -
                              at least in East African drylands - the
                              traditional colonial methods of
                              silviculture were focused on high land
                              pine and cypress plantations
                              not indigenous dry land adapted trees.
                              (which now provides the feedstock for more
                              of Kenyas charcoal) Since 1994 we have
                              been experimenting with different dryland
                              planting and agronomic techniques (please
                              see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.acts.or.ke/dmdocuments/PROJECT_REPORTS/PISCES_Sustainable_Charcoal.pdf"
                                target="_blank">http://www.acts.or.ke/dmdocuments/PROJECT_REPORTS/PISCES_Sustainable_Charcoal.pdf</a>  pg.
                              7) and most of our findings so far have
                              led us to belive that endimic tree species
                              managed in a holistic and permacutrual
                              manner produce coppiced 'branch' charcoal
                              with an excellent life cycle analysis
                              profile. </font></div>
                          <div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial"><br>
                              </font></div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial">2: Can the woodlots be
                                managed better?</font></div>
                          </div>
                          <div><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">I
                                think there is always room for
                                improvement in many fields, but I
                                have definitely noticed more small and
                                large farms in Kenya appling more of a
                                conservation agriculture approach to
                                land use planning. </font></font></div>
                          <div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial"><br>
                              </font></div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial">3: Can cooking practises be
                                changed?</font></div>
                          </div>
                          <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Yes -
                              but with great difficulty. Imagine me
                              coming from Kenya to tell your grandma
                              that she's all wrong and vice versa... </font></div>
                          <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><br>
                            </font></div>
                          <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">What I
                              have found though is that as
                              people achieve higher incomes (and watch
                              more TV) in East Africa cooking energy
                              sources becomes more mixed and
                              more specialized depending on the dish
                              being cooked.  </font></div>
                          <div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial"><br>
                              </font></div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial">4: Would more efficient
                                stoves help significantly?</font></div>
                          </div>
                          <div><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">The
                                Kenya Ceramic Jiko has been one of the
                                most widely disseminated cookstoves in
                                East Africa, on one hand, it saves users
                                up to 50% on their charcoal bills
                                compared to all metal non-insulated
                                stoves. On the other hand, me and my
                                father always wondered that if by making
                                popularly stove that made it cheaper
                                and easier to use charcoal coupled
                                with population growth, did we not
                                create more of a fuel dependency? This
                                is why since the 1990's we have been
                                advocating as much as possible to
                                encourage all other stove makers to also
                                think about provisions for
                                reafforestation efforts. </font></font></div>
                          <div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><br>
                            </div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><br>
                            </div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial">5: Can other forms of fuel,
                                or other sources of energy, be used to
                                take some of the pressure off the
                                woodlots?</font></div>
                          </div>
                          <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                              color="#0000ff">Please see this recently
                              released quite amazing document from
                              ICRAF <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.slideshare.net/agroforestry/miyuki-iiyamaicrafcharcoal-review2013"
                                target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/agroforestry/miyuki-iiyamaicrafcharcoal-review2013</a> ''What
                              happend to the charcoal crisis?''</font></div>
                          <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                              color="#0000ff"><br>
                            </font></div>
                          <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                              color="#0000ff">Yes, but if as WWF has
                              seen in Virunga, if people switch to
                              fossil fuels, what happens when they are
                              found under forests? And even solar
                              cookers and microwaves may not help as
                              much as if one takes into account the Life
                              Cycle Analysis of the transport, computing
                              power to design one etc... a 3 stone fire
                              and growing your own trees start looking
                              more attractive. </font></div>
                          <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                              color="#0000ff"><br>
                            </font></div>
                          <div><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">I
                                am a great proponent of tree based
                                biomass energy for at least people's
                                sunday BBQ's ( which is a huge cause of
                                charcoal us in Kenya!) due to the fact
                                of all the other ecological trickledown
                                effects. </font></font></div>
                          <div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial"><br>
                              </font></div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial">6: Would some form of
                                "Agroforestry" be possible, to put the
                                land to a higher use, with
                                multi-cropping?</font></div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial">...etc...</font></div>
                            <div style="FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><font
                                face="Arial"><br>
                              </font></div>
                          </div>
                          <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">yes we
                              have tried food, fuel and fodder
                              combinations to good effect in Kajiado -
                              linear non-woodlot forestry is beginning
                              to create more of an appearance in this
                              area as land becomes adjudicated and title
                              deeds issued. Land tenure is a
                              huge obstacle to forestry in Kenya, this
                              is why I personally am in favour of things
                              like aerial seeding programs - if we some
                              how grow too many trees, we will always be
                              able to cut them down to cook with! <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.622109591163773.1073741929.199734683401268&type=1&l=0b605799ef"
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                          <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><br>
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                          <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Many
                              thanks for your response. </font></div>
                          <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><br>
                            </font></div>
                          <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Teddy </font></div>
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                              <div><b>Cookswell Jikos</b><br>
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                                  href="http://www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com/"
                                  target="_blank">www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com</a></div>
                              <div>Mobile: +254 700 380 009 <br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Mobile: +254 700 905 913</div>
                              <div>P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya</div>
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                              <div>On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:15 AM, <span
                                  dir="ltr"><<a
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                                    href="mailto:Carefreeland@aol.com"
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                                        <div>Kevin and Stovers, </div>
                                        <div>    I am desperately
                                          wanting to farther study
                                          points 1,2,5 and 6. You got my
                                          attention buddy. Sorry, I
                                          don't have a 100 year old
                                          experiment to show you the
                                          results of my work. I do not
                                          do research papers because I'm
                                          an illiterate idiot. Many of
                                          you who have been on this list
                                          a while may remember- this
                                          letter will be a small record
                                          of the state of a sample of my
                                          research. Nobody has me asked
                                          this lately but you, Kevin.
                                          I'll probably die knowing and
                                          wanting to know way more than
                                          I can ever tell, if I talked
                                          the rest of my life. It just
                                          seems to bore everybody but
                                          some Biomass people. I miss
                                          you all out here alone trapped
                                          in the future. </div>
                                        <div>    My extensive experience
                                          with landscaping and gardening
                                          suggests we have only begun to
                                          barely scratch the surface of
                                          multicropping research. Mother
                                          Nature has done an amazing job
                                          of this, but we are not after
                                          the same goals as her. Typical
                                          natural forestry suggests that
                                          a 3 layer canopy is most
                                          efficent in biomass productive
                                          environments. As we push into
                                          less productive land, that
                                          will be different in both
                                          directions. . What each layer
                                          consists of for any given set
                                          of environmental conditions is
                                          has wide increasingly complex
                                          variables. Someday 100 years
                                          from now, a computer program
                                          will be crunching in whatever
                                          is the Cray Super Computer of
                                          that age. It will tell the
                                          then modern forester what
                                          works best- maybe. Then, only
                                          experiments to compare the
                                          real time data to to the
                                          computer model will fine tune
                                          the long term plan. </div>
                                        <div>    Modern complex forestry
                                          computer programs mostly focus
                                          on select harvest models.
                                          Computer planting programs
                                          just use current harvest data
                                          to optimise plantation - type
                                          management.  How do you get
                                          data on trees that take 300
                                          years or more to be fully
                                          mature?  Recent studies
                                          suggest that 1000 year old
                                          Redwoods are still increasing
                                          in biomass production over
                                          younger trees. Got 1000 years
                                          to collect data?? Maybe we
                                          should be breeding many trees
                                          to grow 1000 years. </div>
                                        <div>    If we make half the
                                          progress growing trees that we
                                          have made in a typical
                                          productive vegetable garden in
                                          4000 or more years, you can
                                          throw out the predictions for
                                          production numbers. New
                                          numbers may be easily a power
                                          of ten more productive. Just
                                          look what small changes have
                                          brought us. When you consider
                                          the efficiency of
                                          photosynthisis to convert
                                          sunlight into chemical energy,
                                          that number theoreticlly can
                                          go two powers of ten or more.
                                          Not only do we need to first
                                          optimise growing technique,
                                          but then optimise breeding,
                                          and back to growing technique
                                          and so fourth. </div>
                                        <div>    I don't even want to
                                          consider pandoras box
                                          of geneticly modified plants.
                                          I think outer space is the
                                          best place to release them so
                                          they don't contaminate our
                                          biosphere like GM corn has. I
                                          considered that thought over
                                          20 years ago and it merged
                                          with my childhood idea of
                                          growing trees on the moon and
                                          on orbit.  That is why I've
                                          wanted to merge a greenhouse
                                          with a blacksmith shop. It's
                                          how space homesteads will do
                                          it. I discussed this issue at
                                          a hydroponics conference in
                                          the early 1990's and
                                          everybodys eyes rolled, so I
                                          just went out and worked on it
                                          with what I had. Nobody came
                                          to collect the amazing data I
                                          saw everyday for twenty
                                          years. A few years ago, my
                                          greenhouse was forced to close
                                          and my finacial situation has
                                          nearly halted all my research.
                                          I hope to slowly get back in
                                          the game if I don't loose my
                                          new 5 acre farm. It is Gods
                                          gift to me for my study. Most
                                          of the assets of this land are
                                          hidden and only of use to me.
                                        </div>
                                        <div>    Most of the forests
                                          today are being primarlily
                                          managed for lumber of some
                                          type. Hunting wildlife is
                                          about the only large second
                                          crop. Small private lands and
                                          prototype corporate
                                          plantations are where the
                                          experiments are being done.
                                          When we start to combine
                                          orchard and vegetable
                                          production with forestry, the
                                          sky is the limit. I take that
                                          back, how far has the Big Bang
                                          blown things open today? That
                                          is the limit. And this is how
                                          we will get out there if we
                                          do, over a billion years of
                                          future evolution and space
                                          travel. Call me crazy, but I
                                          saw a powerful vision as a
                                          child that told me this. You
                                          just keep moving the decimal
                                          point on the equation. Carl
                                          Sagan must have seen a vision
                                          like mine, and so I supported
                                          his work long ago. Most
                                          thought he was craazy too.
                                          Thanks Carl. </div>
                                        <div>    I have been blessed to
                                          spend a little time with one
                                          of the greatest foresters of
                                          our generation. John Guthrie
                                          of Wiggins Mississippi fame.
                                          My crash course in Southern
                                          USA forestry, shortly after
                                          Hurricane Katrina, taught me
                                          the following: The closer we
                                          get to understanding the
                                          original native environment,
                                          the better we can merge our
                                          needs to the use of the land
                                          given to us. </div>
                                        <div>    John would be first to
                                          tell you that if only a higher
                                          power can make a tree, who are
                                          we to decide how and where to
                                          grow it? That has led him to
                                          push the reintroduction of
                                          missing native tree species
                                          which have been eliminated one
                                          at a time. Grown in
                                          plantations to examine and
                                          focuse on each, longleaf pine
                                          is a good example. It was like
                                          the White Oak tree, the king
                                          of the forest, until it was
                                          logged nearly to extinction.
                                          Currently, burning of
                                          undergrowth is done like the
                                          Natives did for management in
                                          early stage plantations.
                                          Timing is everything. We had
                                          lively conversation about
                                          grazing and/ or underplanting
                                          of numerous shrub species to
                                          reduce this practice. I think
                                          I opened up his mind by the
                                          smile on his face. Some
                                          private plantations were doing
                                          this on a very basic
                                          experimental level in 2006. </div>
                                        <div>    The forest plot I was
                                          camped in, had longleaf pine
                                          being interplanted where
                                          select thining was being done
                                          to young Southern Yellow Pine,
                                          It was John"s land right
                                          behind the International Paper
                                          plant, so I think it was a
                                          prototype. The thinnings were
                                          going mostly to chip and saw
                                          for OSB and other products.
                                          The small thinings were hauled
                                          at harvest cost for pulp.
                                          Katrina opened it up more - as
                                          if God were saying to John "
                                          you got the idea boy, now go
                                          with it and I'll help yu". </div>
                                        <div>    Dr. Michler I belive is
                                          his name, discussed his work
                                          at Purdue U. with me about 10
                                          years ago. At the time he was
                                          pioneering in the selecting of
                                          3 hardwood species: Red  Oak,
                                          Black Cherry, and Walnut. An
                                          Indiana nursery was selling
                                          the products of tissue culture
                                          of the best selected species.
                                          Breeding of hardwoods was
                                          still in it's infancy. The new
                                          science then was using gene
                                          mapping to select known genes
                                          to assist breeding of trees
                                          which were only starting to
                                          bear fruit. That is very
                                          exciting -more productive and
                                          safe than GM plants. I called
                                          because I wanted to know if
                                          anybody had studied growing
                                          trees to make charcoal fuel
                                          and he wondered what for..... 
                                        </div>
                                        <div>    Kevin, I would like to
                                          add to your bucket list a huge
                                          compounding factor number 7. 
                                          What happens when we do all of
                                          the above, yet look at
                                          secondary and multiple layers
                                          of recycling of plants. For a
                                          great example you and I may
                                          have discussed the fact that
                                          Charcoal production for an
                                          industrial fuel may be the
                                          best utimate landfill killer.
                                          Demolition waste must be the
                                          largest growing filler of
                                          landfills. I have done limited
                                          research into which trees
                                          produce the best metallurgical
                                          charcoal. What happens when we
                                          breed trees for example, to
                                          both build houses, then reuse
                                          the wood to fuel a blast
                                          furnace to make the finest
                                          iron ever made?. The two uses
                                          are very compatible. Just so
                                          happens that some of the
                                          strongest hardwoods as well as
                                          pine species make real clean
                                          charcoal. The hardwoods make
                                          the most dense charcoal by
                                          nature. We can also infuse
                                          charcoal with additional
                                          hydrocarbons in the conversion
                                          process, with net energy
                                          production. If we grow walnut
                                          trees for example, we can
                                          produce food and many
                                          chemicals too at no additional
                                          cost. </div>
                                        <div>    Nearly every organic
                                          chemical can be coaxed from
                                          living material.  Don't even
                                          get me started on the chemical
                                          refinery/production avenue.
                                          I've said enough. I cannot do
                                          much more or take time to
                                          record what I've found  out or
                                          can find out without a break
                                          in life somewhere. That is why
                                          I don't contribute much
                                          anymore to these lists. It
                                          gets me all excited, and then
                                          frustration sets in. I have 3
                                          kids to raise and cannot waste
                                          my time playing with the
                                          future of mankind when I need
                                          food stamps. </div>
                                        <div>    Enough said. </div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div>    Ok , do I have
                                          anybodies attention now???  </div>
                                        <div>    I have to get off the
                                          computer so my Son can do his
                                          homework,  Sorry, no time for
                                          editing or additional info
                                          tonight. </div>
                                        <div>    </div>
                                        <div>    Dan Dimiduk </div>
                                        <div>    Shangri- La Research. </div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div> </div>
                                        <div>In a message dated
                                          11/13/2013 7:41:16 AM Eastern
                                          Standard Time, <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net"
                                            target="_blank">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</a>
                                          writes:</div>
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                                          solid;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px"><font
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color="#000000" face="Arial">
                                            <div><font face="Arial">Dear
                                                RB</font></div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div><font face="Arial">OK....
                                                as discouraging as the
                                                facts may be, the facts
                                                are reality, and they
                                                must be dealt with to
                                                avoid future problems.</font></div>
                                            <div><font face="Arial">1:
                                                Can different species be
                                                grown, that have higher
                                                Mean Annual Increments
                                                of growth?</font></div>
                                            <div><font face="Arial">2:
                                                Can the woodlots be
                                                managed better?</font></div>
                                            <div><font face="Arial">3:
                                                Can cooking practises be
                                                changed?</font></div>
                                            <div><font face="Arial">4:
                                                Would more efficient
                                                stoves help
                                                significantly?</font></div>
                                            <div><font face="Arial">5:
                                                Can other forms of fuel,
                                                or other sources of
                                                energy, be used to take
                                                some of the pressure off
                                                the woodlots?</font></div>
                                            <div><font face="Arial">6:
                                                Would some form of
                                                "Agroforestry" be
                                                possible, to put the
                                                land to a higher use,
                                                with multi-cropping?</font></div>
                                            <div><font face="Arial">...etc...</font></div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div><font face="Arial">Most
                                                people like to do things
                                                the way they have always
                                                been done. They can't
                                                expect different results
                                                if they do things the
                                                same way they have
                                                always done things in
                                                the past. The cruel
                                                facts are that if they
                                                want different results,
                                                then they will have to
                                                find changes that are
                                                acceptable to them, OR
                                                choose to live with the
                                                consequences of their
                                                present practises. Those
                                                seem to be the cruel
                                                realities.</font></div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div><font face="Arial">Best
                                                wishes,</font></div>
                                            <div> </div>
                                            <div><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
                                            <div> </div>
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