<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I am with those who favor decentralization. The internet model is the proof of the pudding. The internet could never have been built by the centralized model!</div><div><br></div><div>A key aspect of the decentralized model is that it is the most effective way to leverage the human and financial capital resources at the edges. These are far vaster in aggregate than anything the centralized model can arrange. The simple fact is that the problems being addressed require a level of resources that ONLY the decentralized internet model can deliver. The under resourced central model can only fail, as any badly under capitalized business knows.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Wishes for a Distributed & Decentralized 2014.</div><div><br></div><div>Jock<br><br><div><div style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Jock Gill</div><div style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">P. O. Box 3</div><div style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Peacham, VT 05862</div></div><div style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></div><div><a href="https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/emlink?emr=02164940119180120523&emid=CIn6jOiavboCFcgLTAodARYAAA&path=%2F102260924343967128597%2Fop%2Fu&dt=1383089746165&ub=50" style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">google.com/+JockGill</font></a></div><div><br></div>Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!</div><div><br>On Dec 31, 2013, at 9:51 PM, Ben Blevins <<a href="mailto:hspben@yahoo.com">hspben@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized for various reasons, there consulting was rejected because the finding did not reinforce the message of mass production and distribution by development industry players.</span><br><span></span><br><span>B</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear Paal, and all,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards are stacked against the success of decentralized efforts.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of the affluent world is for centralized industrial production. That centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC and WB and many who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the funding. And they present very convincing arguments. (If they could not, they would not be in control of the situation.)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having major impacts. Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one example.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step forward wanting to discuss this informally as an ad hoc sub-group.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, <a href="mailto:paaw@online.no">paaw@online.no</a> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to participate, but after 30 years working with task and followed the discussion at Stove list I have come to this conclusion.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or decentralized activities regarding fuel and stove production with a view on the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into consideration the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the future biomass fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and agriculture energy production together collection of waste biomass of different types will give a lot of new needed jobs.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>· Registration of local waste combustible biomass.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>· Use of local resources</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>· Biochar production by cooking.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low income groups all around the worl</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best regards Paal Wendelbo <a href="mailto:paaw@online.no">paaw@online.no</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Stoves mailing 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