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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Frank and all,<br>
<br>
Very nice thoughts about starting fires in different ways. Glad
you will be at ETHOS and at the Aprovecho Open House after
ETHOS. <br>
<br>
One comment now: The special starter needs to be in some
appropriate contact with the fuel. Under piles of sticks
(tinder, etc) in a stick-fire could work fine. On top of a pile
of fuel in a TLUD can be great, but needs some additional
comments. <br>
<br>
Probably should have a small amount of the raw fuel mixed in or on
top of the starter? This works well with pellet fuels and other
fuels that have sufficiently small size to fill in any voids
between the fuel pieces. However.......<br>
<br>
Be careful of gaps between pieces of larger fuel such as vertical
sticks or corn cobs, because the starter could fall down and the
ignite the raw fuel too far down in the fuel bed.<br>
<br>
Note: Presented months ago, but not widely discussed, is the use
of Regular char (not the starter stuff) to fill in the gaps when
using larger pieces of fuel. I have tried that several times,
always with reasonable success. The char-as-filler is
essentially "inert" as the pyrolysis front of the TLUD passes
downward, creating more char (and leaving the filler char
re-heated but probably not modified). (no char is lost in this
re-use of the previously created char.).<br>
<br>
Frank, see you at ETHOS and after !!!!!!!!<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
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All,<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">It
seems most stoves work very cleanly once started. It’s the
starting that produces the most particular matter and poor
combustion and the part of the process that needs
improving upon. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">I
think that means when we light the match we need a fast,
hot flame produced from a well-mixed gas in the exact
ratio for combustion and next to a material that burns
hot. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">I
do not understand this process (cannot visualize it) but
activated carbon has a butane activity of ~30 g per 100
grams carbon. A good Biochar has around 10g/100grams. 30g
butane = ~12 liters gas and 10g = ~4 liters gas all
‘packed’ into a cup of char. And char burns very hot. So
wondering if loaded char could be used as a fire starter?
So one can squeeze 12 liters butane gas into a cup of
Biochar (?!?!!) using no pressure etc. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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having high activation (> 10) I have loaded with
gasoline and have a tank of methane ready for testing when
I get the time. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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next improvement might be a better way to light the stove.
I was thinking a Wile E. Coyote mechanical detonator where
one pushes a plunger that creates a spark within the
packed fuel to ignite something (loaded char?). <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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plan to bring some high activity biochar loaded with a
couple things to Aprovacho (after Ethos) and hope we have
the time to experiment with using it for igniting fuel. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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