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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Mark,<br>
<br>
I am not good at estimating price points, and the number of
variations (feeder rollers, flywheel, thickness of sticks) are so
numerous that to say a price without specifying all the rest might
not be very realistic. So, as a NON-engineer, I request
assistance from other readers about price vs features. <br>
<br>
Even if I purchased one for where I live (Illinois, USA), my usage
would be limited, and not related to amounts like tons. And to
export from Mexico to Africa would be in the same league as
importing cutters from India, meaning: difficult.<br>
<br>
I would like to know what could be accomplished at different price
points. Is that a reasonable place to start? (I hope others
will comment. And maybe something can be accomplished.)<br>
<br>
Mark, where are you in Mexico, and when did you move there?
Greetings to your wife.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 1/4/2014 2:23 AM, Mark Ludlow wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
would be useful if you could state a price point that would
make equipment like this realistic. The machine Rolf
describes is typical, but I appreciate the fact that limbs
and trunks are fed at an angle. Shearing at an angle reduces
the shear force required and thus increases the output per
unit of power input. I could build a no-frills (except for
safety systems) chipper like the one Rolf describes, here in
México, at cost, if you are interested. México is the
productivity-adjusted, lowest-cost producer in the world, as
of 2014. Yet many are unemployed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
you tell me some number, say $/MT of green input, this gives
us a target to design against. I think that energy-storage
(flywheel) to accommodate impulse loading may work, but the
amount of energy required is easily calculated and is
reflected in the nominal hourly-input rating.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
will support development costs (as a non-profit) if you will
tell me there is a market for XXX Machines at XXX Cost on
the horizon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="ES-MX">Buen Viajo en Africa!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="ES-MX">Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="ES-MX"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="ES-MX"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Anderson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 03, 2014 11:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> energiesnaturals; Discussion of biomass
cooking stoves; Bob Fairchild; Ron Vanetten;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [biochar] Re: [Stoves] Chaff cutters and
wood choppers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rolf, Crispin and all,<br>
<br>
Very good reports.<br>
<br>
It would be very nice to have a summary of the
manufacturers and models (with price and cutting
attributes).<br>
<br>
ASSUMING that some one or a few of these devices (and
not toooo expensive) can do the stick and small branch
cutting, we need to get some of them into action in
places where we can use the fuel for the stoves.<br>
<br>
Any assistance to accomplish this would be
appreciated.<br>
<br>
Paul <br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/3/2014 1:19 AM,
energiesnaturals wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Jensen Buschhacker is a kind
of disc chopper wth only 1 blade sopported in front
of the actual disc and thus free to let up to 12 cm
enter the space between fixed counter knife and the
rotating blade. The wood enters horizontally, but at
that 30 or so angle to the disc's plane. The cutting
length is given by the speed of the advance
rollers/cylinders vs. the rotational speed of the
disc as usual.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">These devices are no toys, the
biggest of them cut nearly 20 cm of oak branches!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My 60 y.o.Buschhacker munches
through 15 cm of softwood and 12 cm of extremely
hard dry GREENOAK (quercus ilex) and wild olive. And
this is the middle model of 3.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Of course you wouldnn't want to
lift these branches high up to insert them into a
garden chipper type, thus the horizontal cutting
angle.There must be a series of photos on the
bioenergy list somewhere, but i cannot find it from
where i am right now.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rolf<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Enviado desde Samsung tablet<o:p></o:p></p>
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CPP GMail <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com"><crispinpigott@gmail.com></a>
escribió:<br>
When the blade impacts the wood/branches are they
pointed downwards? That would tend to pull the
feedstock in as well as provide the bevel cutting
effect. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Crispin <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong>
"energiesnaturals" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:energiesnaturals@gmx.de"><energiesnaturals@gmx.de></a><br>
<strong>To:</strong> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">"stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"><stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org></a><br>
<strong>Sent:</strong> 3 January, 2014 12:54 AM<br>
<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Stoves] Chaff
cutters and wood choppers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nail trimmers indeed, but only
if you intend it.I have worked with them time ago
and as long as you put the alfalfa/hay/straw right
on the conveyor chain and let the advance cylinder
in front of the cutting wheel do it's job, there
is not much danger to get caught...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Btw, they still build them in
Spain as i inquired for Christa some month ago.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The same principle applies to
the Jensen Buschhacker i described earlier.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Not only has it 35deg angle
between advance rollers and disc plane, but the
blade position in the disc cuts much like you
would cut through aloaf of bread with a knife.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This enables the Jensen to
perform very well with only 12-15 hp tractors on
the pto.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">My Laimet Hp 21 also saves
energy cutting, but we strongly miss the advance
rollers.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> We are actually busy
implementing them together with a pickup system
for prunings and forest slash for the Laimet and
two modern Jensens.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Guess for what!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rolf <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Enviado desde Samsung tablet<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net">mtrevor@ntamar.net</a>
escribió:<br>
The one at the link above is really advanced<br>
when it comes to safety which is good<br>
because this sort of machine was responsible for
more lost fingers<br>
than any other piece of farm equipment.<br>
<br>
Impressive piece of machinery and EXACTLY my
immediate reaction--- Nail <br>
trimmer extreme!!!<br>
<br>
M Trevor <br>
<br>
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