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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Mark,<br>
      <br>
      I am not good at estimating price points, and the number of
      variations (feeder rollers, flywheel, thickness of sticks) are so
      numerous that to say a price without specifying all the rest might
      not be very realistic.    So, as a NON-engineer, I request
      assistance from other readers about price vs features.   <br>
      <br>
      Even if I purchased one for where I live (Illinois, USA), my usage
      would be limited, and not related to amounts like tons.   And to
      export from Mexico to Africa would be in the same league as
      importing cutters from India, meaning: difficult.<br>
      <br>
      I would like to know what could be accomplished at different price
      points.   Is that a reasonable place to start?   (I hope others
      will comment.   And maybe something can be accomplished.)<br>
      <br>
      Mark, where are you in Mexico, and when did you move there?  
      Greetings to your wife.<br>
      <br>
      Paul<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD  
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   
Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
      On 1/4/2014 2:23 AM, Mark Ludlow wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
            Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
            would be useful if you could state a price point that would
            make equipment like this realistic. The machine Rolf
            describes is typical, but I appreciate the fact that limbs
            and trunks are fed at an angle. Shearing at an angle reduces
            the shear force required and thus increases the output per
            unit of power input. I could build a no-frills (except for
            safety systems) chipper like the one Rolf describes, here in
            México, at cost, if you are interested. México is the
            productivity-adjusted, lowest-cost producer in the world, as
            of 2014. Yet many are unemployed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
            you tell me some number, say $/MT of green input, this gives
            us a target to design against. I think that energy-storage
            (flywheel) to accommodate impulse loading may work, but the
            amount of energy required is easily calculated and is
            reflected in the nominal hourly-input rating.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
            will support development costs (as a non-profit) if you will
            tell me there is a market for XXX Machines at XXX Cost on
            the horizon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
            lang="ES-MX">Buen Viajo en Africa!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
            lang="ES-MX">Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
            lang="ES-MX"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
            lang="ES-MX"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Anderson<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 03, 2014 11:29 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> energiesnaturals; Discussion of biomass
                cooking stoves; Bob Fairchild; Ron Vanetten;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [biochar] Re: [Stoves] Chaff cutters and
                wood choppers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Rolf, Crispin and all,<br>
                  <br>
                  Very good reports.<br>
                  <br>
                  It would be very nice to have a summary of the
                  manufacturers and models (with price and cutting
                  attributes).<br>
                  <br>
                  ASSUMING that some one or a few of these devices (and
                  not toooo expensive) can do the stick and small branch
                  cutting, we need to get some of them into action in
                  places where we can use the fuel for the stoves.<br>
                  <br>
                  Any assistance to accomplish this would be
                  appreciated.<br>
                  <br>
                  Paul    <br>
                  <br>
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                <pre>Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD  <o:p></o:p></pre>
                <pre>Email:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   <o:p></o:p></pre>
                <pre>Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre>
                <pre>Website:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                <p class="MsoNormal">On 1/3/2014 1:19 AM,
                  energiesnaturals wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">The Jensen Buschhacker is a kind
                    of disc chopper wth only 1 blade sopported in front
                    of the actual disc and thus free to let up to 12 cm
                    enter the space between fixed counter knife and the
                    rotating blade. The wood enters horizontally, but at
                    that 30 or so angle to the disc's plane. The cutting
                    length is given by the speed of the advance
                    rollers/cylinders vs. the rotational speed of the
                    disc as usual.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">These devices are no toys, the
                    biggest of them cut nearly 20 cm of oak branches!<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">My 60 y.o.Buschhacker munches
                    through 15 cm of softwood and 12 cm of extremely
                    hard dry GREENOAK (quercus ilex) and wild olive. And
                    this is the middle model of 3.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Of course you wouldnn't want to
                    lift these branches high up to insert them into a
                    garden chipper type, thus the horizontal cutting
                    angle.There must be a series of photos on the
                    bioenergy list somewhere, but i cannot find it from
                    where i am right now.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Rolf<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Enviado desde Samsung tablet<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                  CPP GMail <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com"><crispinpigott@gmail.com></a>
                  escribió:<br>
                  When the blade impacts the wood/branches are they
                  pointed downwards? That would tend to pull the
                  feedstock in as well as provide the bevel cutting
                  effect.  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Crispin <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong>
                      "energiesnaturals" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:energiesnaturals@gmx.de"><energiesnaturals@gmx.de></a><br>
                      <strong>To:</strong> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      <strong>Sent:</strong> 3 January, 2014 12:54 AM<br>
                      <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Stoves] Chaff
                      cutters and wood choppers<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Nail trimmers indeed, but only
                      if you intend it.I have worked with them time ago
                      and as long as you put the alfalfa/hay/straw right
                      on the conveyor chain and let the advance cylinder
                      in front of the cutting wheel do it's job, there
                      is not much danger to get caught...<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Btw, they still build them in
                      Spain as i inquired for Christa some month ago.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">The same principle applies to
                      the Jensen Buschhacker i described earlier.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Not only has it 35deg angle
                      between advance rollers and disc plane, but the
                      blade position in the disc cuts much like you
                      would cut through aloaf of bread with a knife.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">This enables the Jensen to
                      perform very well with only 12-15 hp tractors on
                      the pto.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">My Laimet Hp 21 also saves
                      energy cutting, but we strongly miss the advance
                      rollers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> We are actually busy
                      implementing them together with a pickup system
                      for prunings and forest slash for the Laimet and
                      two modern Jensens.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Guess for what!<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Rolf <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Enviado desde Samsung tablet<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    escribió:<br>
                    The one at the link above is really advanced<br>
                    when it comes to safety which is good<br>
                    because this sort of machine was responsible for
                    more lost fingers<br>
                    than any other piece of farm equipment.<br>
                    <br>
                    Impressive piece of machinery and EXACTLY my
                    immediate reaction--- Nail <br>
                    trimmer extreme!!!<br>
                    <br>
                    M Trevor <br>
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