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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Paul</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The request is like the question: "How long is a piece of
string"? :-) There are many different potential chaff cutter and wood chopper
designs. There are as many as there are "potential applications." </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Some of the variables may include:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Production rate required.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Manual or machine power</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Feed material</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Desired "cut product size and shape.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Need for screening and sizing of product or
not?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Portability</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Durability</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Potential annual sales for each specific
product</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Permissible price for a product or specific device to
accomplish a specific task</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>These variables, and the "necessary features" required,
must be specified before it is possible to configure a suitable design and to
estimate a cost "at the factory gate." </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>So, if you required a "cutter" or "chopper" to make a fuel
suitable for TLUD's, you should specify all the relevant properties and features
that would be necessary for a Designer to configure a product design that would
meet your needs. However, the Designer should know how much the Customer could
afford to pay for the final product, so that he will know if it is even possible
to build a product that will be affordable to the Target Customer. Additionally,
the Designer needs to know the expected sales volume per year, so that he can
figure in the economies of scale in developing prices.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=psanders@ilstu.edu href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">Paul Anderson</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mark@ludlow.com
href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">Mark Ludlow</A> ; <A
title=biochar@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</A> ; <A
title=energiesnaturals@gmx.de
href="mailto:energiesnaturals@gmx.de">'energiesnaturals'</A> ; <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves'</A> ; <A title=solarbobky@yahoo.com
href="mailto:solarbobky@yahoo.com">'Bob Fairchild'</A> ; <A
title=rsvanetten@hotmail.com href="mailto:rsvanetten@hotmail.com">'Ron
Vanetten'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 04, 2014 4:07
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [biochar] Re: [Stoves] Chaff
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Mark,<BR><BR>I am not good at estimating price
points, and the number of variations (feeder rollers, flywheel, thickness of
sticks) are so numerous that to say a price without specifying all the rest
might not be very realistic. So, as a NON-engineer, I
request assistance from other readers about price vs features.
<BR><BR>Even if I purchased one for where I live (Illinois, USA), my usage
would be limited, and not related to amounts like tons. And to
export from Mexico to Africa would be in the same league as importing cutters
from India, meaning: difficult.<BR><BR>I would like to know what could be
accomplished at different price points. Is that a reasonable place
to start? (I hope others will comment. And maybe
something can be accomplished.)<BR><BR>Mark, where are you in Mexico, and when
did you move there? Greetings to your
wife.<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR><BR><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</A>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</A></PRE>On
1/4/2014 2:23 AM, Mark Ludlow wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
Paul,<O></O></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It would be
useful if you could state a price point that would make equipment like this
realistic. The machine Rolf describes is typical, but I appreciate the fact
that limbs and trunks are fed at an angle. Shearing at an angle reduces the
shear force required and thus increases the output per unit of power input.
I could build a no-frills (except for safety systems) chipper like the one
Rolf describes, here in México, at cost, if you are interested. México is
the productivity-adjusted, lowest-cost producer in the world, as of 2014.
Yet many are unemployed.<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If you tell
me some number, say $/MT of green input, this gives us a target to design
against. I think that energy-storage (flywheel) to accommodate impulse
loading may work, but the amount of energy required is easily calculated and
is reflected in the nominal hourly-input rating.<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I will
support development costs (as a non-profit) if you will tell me there is a
market for XXX Machines at XXX Cost on the horizon.<O></O></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=ES-MX>Buen Viajo en Africa!<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=ES-MX>Mark<O></O></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</A> [<A
class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Paul Anderson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 03, 2014
11:29 PM<BR><B>To:</B> energiesnaturals; Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves; Bob Fairchild; Ron Vanetten; <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
[biochar] Re: [Stoves] Chaff cutters and wood
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<P class=MsoNormal>Rolf, Crispin and all,<BR><BR>Very good
reports.<BR><BR>It would be very nice to have a summary of the manufacturers
and models (with price and cutting attributes).<BR><BR>ASSUMING that some
one or a few of these devices (and not toooo expensive) can do the stick and
small branch cutting, we need to get some of them into action in places
where we can use the fuel for the stoves.<BR><BR>Any assistance to
accomplish this would be appreciated.<BR><BR>Paul
<BR><BR><O></O></P><PRE>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD <O></O></PRE><PRE>Email: <A href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" moz="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</A> <O></O></PRE><PRE>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<O></O></PRE><PRE>Website: <A href="http://www.drtlud.com" moz="true">www.drtlud.com</A><O></O></PRE>
<P class=MsoNormal>On 1/3/2014 1:19 AM, energiesnaturals
wrote:<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The Jensen Buschhacker is a kind of disc chopper wth
only 1 blade sopported in front of the actual disc and thus free to let up
to 12 cm enter the space between fixed counter knife and the rotating
blade. The wood enters horizontally, but at that 30 or so angle to the
disc's plane. The cutting length is given by the speed of the advance
rollers/cylinders vs. the rotational speed of the disc as
usual.<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>These devices are no toys, the biggest of them cut
nearly 20 cm of oak branches!<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>My 60 y.o.Buschhacker munches through 15 cm of softwood
and 12 cm of extremely hard dry GREENOAK (quercus ilex) and wild olive.
And this is the middle model of 3.<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Of course you wouldnn't want to lift these branches
high up to insert them into a garden chipper type, thus the horizontal
cutting angle.There must be a series of photos on the bioenergy list
somewhere, but i cannot find it from where i am right
now.<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Rolf<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Enviado desde Samsung tablet<O></O></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR>CPP GMail <A href="mailto:crispinpigott@gmail.com"
moz="true"><crispinpigott@gmail.com></A> escribió:<BR>When the blade
impacts the wood/branches are they pointed downwards? That would tend to
pull the feedstock in as well as provide the bevel cutting effect.
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG>From:</STRONG> "energiesnaturals" <A
href="mailto:energiesnaturals@gmx.de"
moz="true"><energiesnaturals@gmx.de></A><BR><STRONG>To:</STRONG> <A
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
moz="true">"stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"</A> <A
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3 January, 2014 12:54 AM<BR><STRONG>Subject:</STRONG> Re: [Stoves] Chaff
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<P class=MsoNormal>Nail trimmers indeed, but only if you intend it.I have
worked with them time ago and as long as you put the alfalfa/hay/straw
right on the conveyor chain and let the advance cylinder in front of the
cutting wheel do it's job, there is not much danger to get
caught...<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Btw, they still build them in Spain as i inquired for
Christa some month ago.<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The same principle applies to the Jensen Buschhacker i
described earlier.<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Not only has it 35deg angle between advance rollers and
disc plane, but the blade position in the disc cuts much like you would
cut through aloaf of bread with a knife.<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>This enables the Jensen to perform very well with only
12-15 hp tractors on the pto.<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>My Laimet Hp 21 also saves energy cutting, but we
strongly miss the advance rollers.<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> We are actually busy implementing them together
with a pickup system for prunings and forest slash for the Laimet and two
modern Jensens.<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Guess for what!<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Rolf <O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><A href="mailto:mtrevor@ntamar.net"
moz="true">mtrevor@ntamar.net</A> escribió:<BR>The one at the link above
is really advanced<BR>when it comes to safety which is good<BR>because
this sort of machine was responsible for more lost fingers<BR>than any
other piece of farm equipment.<BR><BR>Impressive piece of machinery and
EXACTLY my immediate reaction--- Nail <BR>trimmer extreme!!!<BR><BR>M
Trevor
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