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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Kevin,<br>
<br>
I want to know about any and all reasonable devices that work.
Reality now trumps specifications and expenses of R&D.<br>
<br>
Personally, I lack the mechanical knowledge and the time to do
this myself. But I KNOW it is important, and I turn to my
friends on the Listservs, with gratitude for whatever can be
accomplished.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 1/8/2014 12:45 PM, Kevin wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Paul</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">As per my previous e-mail, (copy
appended below the ******** line) you really should
describe the job you want done, so that designers would
at least have some "starting specifications" on which to
base their estimated cost.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Do you want someone to design and
build them for you to re-sell, or do you want a suitable
"set of plans" that you could sell or give to people.?
Or perhaps you have some other arrangement in mind?</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Best wishes,</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" title="psanders@ilstu.edu"
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">Paul Anderson</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org"
href="mailto:gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org">gasification@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="biochar@yahoogroups.com"
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="solarbobky@yahoo.com"
href="mailto:solarbobky@yahoo.com">Bob Fairchild</a> ;
<a moz-do-not-send="true" title="rsvanetten@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:rsvanetten@hotmail.com">Ron Vanetten</a>
</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday,
January 08, 2014 2:17 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> [biochar]
Re: [Gasification] Chunking wood for small scale biochar
production, fotos !</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">To all,<br>
<br>
Yes, it certainly seems to be a chunker. Yes, the
wood seem weak, but the machine seems adequate.<br>
<br>
See also:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3hsWyuyTg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3hsWyuyTg</a><br>
<br>
Seem to be in some Slavic language? Do we have any
further information? All seems sufficiently
inexpensive for many of us, and could be appropriate
for someone in a developing country to make a living
going around chunking people's low-value branches.
And there seem to be other videos suggested by
YouTube.<br>
<br>
I request assistance from someone(s) with mechanical
talents to help bring such technology to our
understands (and ability to replicate and improve as
necessary). <br>
<br>
The issue is not the power source (electric or small
gasoline or ??). The issue is the breaking and/or
chunking of such biomass.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 1/7/2014 10:35 PM, Pete & Sheri wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;">I’d certainly call
that one a chunker. But I noticed that at least
one of the branches broke in half as it was fed
in. Maybe some pretty rotten wood?<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;">If the machine can do
that kind of work with solid wood it seems to be
a good contender.<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;">At least for a little
while. (It does jump around some).<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;"><o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;">Pete Stanaitis<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;">----------------<o></o></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;"> Gasification [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:gasification-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cesar Casanova<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 07, 2014 9:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
gasification<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gasification] Chunking
wood for small scale biochar production, fotos
!<o></o></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o></o></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Is this a chunker or wood
chipper?<o></o></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4GUEq_ubkw"
moz="true">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4GUEq_ubkw</a><o></o></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cesar<o></o></p>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;">-----
Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;BACKGROUND:
#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="kchisholm@seaside.ns.ca"
href="mailto:kchisholm@seaside.ns.ca">Kevin</a>
</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="biochar@yahoogroups.com"
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="mark@ludlow.com"
href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">Mark
Ludlow</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="energiesnaturals@gmx.de"
href="mailto:energiesnaturals@gmx.de">'energiesnaturals'</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass
cooking stoves'</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="solarbobky@yahoo.com"
href="mailto:solarbobky@yahoo.com">'Bob
Fairchild'</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="rsvanetten@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:rsvanetten@hotmail.com">'Ron
Vanetten'</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b>
Monday, January 06, 2014 2:46 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [biochar] Re: [Stoves] Chaff cutters
and wood choppers</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font face="Arial">Dear Paul</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">The request is
like the question: "How long is a
piece of string"? :-) There are many
different potential chaff cutter and
wood chopper designs. There are as
many as there are "potential
applications." </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Some of the
variables may include:</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">* Production rate
required.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">* Manual or
machine power</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">* Feed material</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">* Desired "cut
product size and shape.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">* Need for
screening and sizing of product or
not?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">* Portability</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">* Durability</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">* Potential annual
sales for each specific product</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">* Permissible
price for a product or specific device
to accomplish a specific task</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">* Etc.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">These variables,
and the "necessary features" required,
must be specified before it is
possible to configure a suitable
design and to estimate a cost "at the
factory gate." </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">So, if you
required a "cutter" or "chopper" to
make a fuel suitable for TLUD's, you
should specify all the relevant
properties and features that would be
necessary for a Designer to configure
a product design that would meet your
needs. However, the Designer should
know how much the Customer could
afford to pay for the final product,
so that he will know if it is even
possible to build a product that will
be affordable to the Target Customer.
Additionally, the Designer needs to
know the expected sales volume per
year, so that he can figure in the
economies of scale in developing
prices.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Best wishes,</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Kevin</font></div>
<div> </div>
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Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;BACKGROUND:
#e4e4e4;"><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="psanders@ilstu.edu"
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">Paul
Anderson</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="mark@ludlow.com"
href="mailto:mark@ludlow.com">Mark
Ludlow</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="biochar@yahoogroups.com"
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="energiesnaturals@gmx.de"
href="mailto:energiesnaturals@gmx.de">'energiesnaturals'</a>
; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass
cooking stoves'</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="solarbobky@yahoo.com"
href="mailto:solarbobky@yahoo.com">'Bob
Fairchild'</a> ; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
title="rsvanetten@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:rsvanetten@hotmail.com">'Ron
Vanetten'</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b>
Saturday, January 04, 2014 4:07 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [biochar] Re: [Stoves] Chaff
cutters and wood choppers</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Mark,<br>
<br>
I am not good at estimating price
points, and the number of variations
(feeder rollers, flywheel, thickness
of sticks) are so numerous that to
say a price without specifying all
the rest might not be very
realistic. So, as a NON-engineer,
I request assistance from other
readers about price vs features. <br>
<br>
Even if I purchased one for where I
live (Illinois, USA), my usage would
be limited, and not related to
amounts like tons. And to export
from Mexico to Africa would be in
the same league as importing cutters
from India, meaning: difficult.<br>
<br>
I would like to know what could be
accomplished at different price
points. Is that a reasonable place
to start? (I hope others will
comment. And maybe something can
be accomplished.)<br>
<br>
Mark, where are you in Mexico, and
when did you move there? Greetings
to your wife.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 1/4/2014 2:23 AM, Mark Ludlow
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;">Hi
Paul,<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;"><o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;">It
would be useful if you could
state a price point that would
make equipment like this
realistic. The machine Rolf
describes is typical, but I
appreciate the fact that limbs
and trunks are fed at an
angle. Shearing at an angle
reduces the shear force
required and thus increases
the output per unit of power
input. I could build a
no-frills (except for safety
systems) chipper like the one
Rolf describes, here in
México, at cost, if you are
interested. México is the
productivity-adjusted,
lowest-cost producer in the
world, as of 2014. Yet many
are unemployed.<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;"><o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;">If
you tell me some number, say
$/MT of green input, this
gives us a target to design
against. I think that
energy-storage (flywheel) to
accommodate impulse loading
may work, but the amount of
energy required is easily
calculated and is reflected in
the nominal hourly-input
rating.<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;"><o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;">I
will support development costs
(as a non-profit) if you will
tell me there is a market for
XXX Machines at XXX Cost on
the horizon.<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;"><o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;"
lang="ES-MX">Buen Viajo en
Africa!<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="COLOR:
#1f497d;FONT-SIZE: 11pt;"
lang="ES-MX">Mark<o></o></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="COLOR:
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lang="ES-MX"><o></o></span></p>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul
Anderson<br>
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