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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear Dr. Seifert</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>How much energy does it take to cook various foods?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>For example, take a single egg... if I took a single egg
and placed it in a "Retained Heat Cooker" that had a very large thermal mass,
how much heat energy would be drawn from the thermal mass to warm the egg to
cooking temperature, and to supply the heat necessary to complete the cooking
reaction? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>If you don't know the energy to cook an egg, perhaps there
is some other "standard food", such as 1.00 kg of potatoes, rice, carrots,
beans, etc. Perhaps there is a Table showing the energy required to preheat
foods to cooking temperature and complete the cooking reaction. Such a Reference
would be very helpful.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin Chisholm</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=doseifert@googlemail.com
href="mailto:doseifert@googlemail.com">Dr.-Ing. Dieter Seifert</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 10, 2014 3:04
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion
about decentalized stove efforts</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-ansi-language: EN" lang=EN>Dear
all,<BR><BR></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-ansi-language: EN" lang=EN>My name is
Dieter Seifert and I am active in the area of renewable energy (e.g. parabolic
solar cookers), </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-ansi-language: EN" lang=EN>together
with my family, for</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-ansi-language: EN" lang=EN> about
30 years.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-ansi-language: EN"
lang=EN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-ansi-language: EN" lang=EN>Maybe some
quantitative considerations in the debate on the question of decentralized
cooking power supply are helpful. </SPAN><SPAN
title="Durch die
Verbindung von effizienten Herden und der Thermos-Technik werden
nur noch kleine Mengen an Brennholz verbraucht, so dass eine
nachhaltige Versorgung möglich wird.">Using
the combination of efficient stoves and the “thermos technology” (cooking with
retained heat), only small amounts of fuel wood are consumed, so that a
sustainable supply is possible. Refering to d</SPAN><SPAN
title="Unter
Verwendung von Daten von R. Bailis in Tabelle 2 in seinem
Beitrag „Wood in Household Energy Use“, Encycopeia of Energy,
Vol. 6, Elsevier (2004) , p.">ata
from Table 2 in the article of R. Bailis "Wood in Household Energy Use" in the
Encyclopedia of Energy, Vol. 6, Elsevier (2004) , p . </SPAN><SPAN
title="518 (Nairobi) ergeben sich für städtische
Haushalte je nach verwendeter Energiequelle und Kocher:">518
(for Nairobi as example for urban households):<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
title="a) Verbrauch an Brennholz mit open fire: 1626
bis 3250 kg Brennholz pro Haushalt pro Jahr bei 10% bis 20%
Wirkungsgrad">a)
consumption of firewood with open fire: 1626 to 3250 kg firewood per household
per year at 10 to 20 percent efficiency;<BR></SPAN><SPAN
title="b) Verbrauch an Holzkohle mit improved or
regular stove: 531 bis 1238 kg charcoal pro Haushalt pro Jahr
bei 15% bis 35% Wirkungsgrad.">b
) consumption of charcoal with improved or regular stove 531 to 1238 kg
charcoal per household per year at 15 to 35 percent efficiency
.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
title="Wenn wir annehmen, dass die Holzkohle mit dem
üblichen Konversionsfaktor von 6 Tonnen Holz pro Tonne charcoal
produziert wird, dann entspricht dies einem Verbrauch von 3186
bis 7428 kg Holz (mature trees!) pro Haushalt und Jahr.">If
we assume that the charcoal is produced with the conventional conversion
factor of 6 tons of wood per ton of charcoal, then this corresponds to a
consumption of 3186 to 7428 kg of wood (mature trees!) per household per year.
</SPAN><SPAN
title="Wobei anzumerken ist, dass der
Verbrauch an Holz oder Holzkohle ist in Ländern mit gegenwärtig
noch hohem Waldbestand (zB Zambia) noch wesentlich höher sein
kann.">The
consumption of wood or charcoal may be much higher in countries with higher
forest cover still present.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
title="Wenn wir einen Haushalt annehmen, der einen
improved stove mit mehr als 30% Wirkungsgrad und die
Thermos-Technik nutzt, dann kann der Verbrauch auf ca. 600 kg
Holz (dünne Stöckchen, keine Bäume) reduziert werden.">If
we consider a household that uses an improved stove with more than 30 %
efficiency and the thermos technology, then the consumption per household per
year can be reduced to approx. 600 kg of wood (thin sticks, not trees).
</SPAN><SPAN
title="Das kann erreicht werden durch
einen stove mit grate und Umhüllung des Topfes und zB">This
can be achieved by a stove with grate and with shielding of the pot and, for
example, </SPAN><SPAN
title="1 oder 2 hay-baskets mit einem
Strohkissen unter dem Topf und Baumwollkissen um den Topf und
auf dem Topfdeckel und genügend Topfinhalt.">1
or 2 hay-baskets with a straw pillow under the pot and cotton pillows around
the pot and on the lid of the pot - and enough hot pot contents. </SPAN><SPAN
title="Der Brennholzverbrauch wird damit auf einen
geringen Prozentsatz gesenkt (auf weniger als 10% gegenüber der
Holzkohle-Nutzung).">The
firewood consumption is thus reduced to a small percentage (less than 10 %
compared to charcoal-use).<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
title="Die Warmhaltekörbe sind eine typische
appropriate technology und es ist unbegreiflich, dass die
wunderbaren Chancen der Thermos-Technik noch immer kaum genutzt
werden, bei all den bekannten Schäden an der Gesundheit und dem
Wohlstand der Familien.">The
hay baskets are a typical appropriate technology and it is inconceivable that
the wonderful opportunities of thermos-technology are still very limited,
concerning to the avoidable damage to the health and prosperity of families
and to the environment.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
title="Die Versorgung der städtischen Haushalte mit
den Stöckchen ist eine Chance für zur Einkommensgenerierung.">The
supply of urban households with the thin sticks is an opportunity for income
generation. </SPAN><SPAN
title="Das müsste als
öffentliche Aufgabe erkannt und unterstützt werden.">The
support of this change should be recognized as a public task. </SPAN><SPAN
title="Im Gegensatz zur etablierten Holzkohle-Vermarktung sind
diese Einkommen nachhaltig zu erzielen, während es bei der
Holzkohle nur eine Frage der Zeit ist (bei den Wachstumsraten
der städtischen Bevölkerung von über 3%, dh Verdoppelung in ca.
20 Jahren) wann die Quellen versiegen und">In
contrast to the established charcoal supply for urban households these incomes
are sustainable, as it is only a matter of time when the incomes from charcoal
will cease (with growth rates of the urban population of over 3 percent, i.e.
doubling of urban population every 20 years) as the sources dry up and
</SPAN><SPAN title="das Land
desertifiziert ist.">the country
is deforested.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
title="Die erforderlichen Maßnahmen können dezentral
erfolgen, aber die erforderlichen Informationen sollten vor
allem über das weltweite Schulsystem verbreitet werden.">The
necessary measures can be accomplished in a decentralized manner; but the
necessary information and practical advice could be disseminated through the
global education system, as we know that for the acceptance of the required
change, it is necessary to involve the parties affected, to recognize and
realize the challenges and opportunities.<BR></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR>With kind regards,<BR>Dieter<BR></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR>Dr.-Ing. Dieter Seifert<BR>Neuoetting/Germany<BR><A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:bdiv.seifert@t-online.de">bdiv.seifert@t-online.de</A><BR><SPAN
title="Die erforderlichen Maßnahmen können dezentral
erfolgen, aber die erforderlichen Informationen sollten vor
allem über das weltweite Schulsystem verbreitet werden."></SPAN><SPAN
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US" lang=EN-US><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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