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lang=EN-US><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Michael</FONT></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">At Adjumani Refugee camp in North of
Uganda in 1995 we used ½ kg bundles of straw, (hypereniarufa) into the TLUD-ND
Peko Pe. The straw was cleaned from thin leaves, cut with machete in right
length and bundled with sisal-rope. The rope was removed while the bundle was
put into the stove to obtain air for clean combustion.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt"><SPAN
lang=EN-US><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The especial with straw used that way
was, it did not collapse when flame ended, and you had the high temperature from
the glowing just underneath of the pot almost the same time as the flame was
burning. I just wonder will that be the same with pellets from
straw?</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=memahowald@hotmail.com
href="mailto:memahowald@hotmail.com">Michael Mahowald</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 16, 2014 3:18 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about
decentalizedstove efforts</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Dean </DIV>
<DIV>I have used many TLUD stoves and fed large groups many times with them. I
also have built many ovens that use the same heat after stove top cooking. The
stoves all work great. The problem getting people to use them is keeping enough
dry wood available. </DIV>
<DIV>We have not tested vetiver grass pellets yet. But we have tested switch
grass which worked better and hotter than woodpellets. All pellets
consistently burn better than different size and types of wood much less biomass
as stoves are tuned for each. </DIV>
<DIV>If you expect the world will switch to TLUD stoves by twisting grass by
hand, these stoves will never takeover charcoal. </DIV>
<DIV>When we make pellets using grass pellets for syngas it will be cheaper than
diesel fuel and it can take over charcoal for preferred fuel. <BR><BR>Sent from
my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 15, 2014, at 11:21 AM, "Dean Still" <<A
href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com">deankstill@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Michael,<BR><BR></DIV>Perhaps experimenters could try other methods
than making pellets? A very light fuel like grass can end up costing a lot to
make into pellets. How about twisting the grasses into rope? Then cut into
small sections?<BR><BR></DIV>All Best,<BR><BR></DIV>Dean<BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Michael Mahowald <SPAN
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target=_blank>memahowald@hotmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Trees are important but fuel for stoves should be from
Grass! I have worked in Haiti for 15 years and the erosion is so bad
in some areas that reforestation projects fail because they cannot keep them
watered enough in the dry seasons. The only way to bring back the soil
and hold moisture is planting vetiver grass.
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Grass energy precisely grass pellets are what is needed for tlud stoves
please look at my website</DIV>
<DIV>to understand what I am talking about. We want to work with all
Tlud stoves but the real problem is the fuel!</DIV>
<DIV> <A href="http://haitireconstruction.ning.com/"
target=_blank>http://haitireconstruction.ning.com/</A></DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Our solution fixes many problems as you will see.</DIV>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:39:36 +0300<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:cookswelljikos@gmail.com"
target=_blank>cookswelljikos@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Stoves]
[Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove efforts<BR><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr>Dear Ronal -
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you very much for your kind words. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am very concerned about the woodfuel supply chain, after all, if I
make improved efficient stoves that make its easier and cheaper for people
to burn tree's with, it is a wise investment for me to do all I can to help
my customers grow more trees.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I hope we can encourage more players in the cookstove industry to join
us in advocating, promoting and being involved in sustainable woodfuel
focused forestry projects. </DIV>
<DIV><BR>We actually had made a few prototypes of char producing and char
using stoves a few years ago but discontinued due to low market
demand. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Teddy </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV><B>Cookswell Jikos</B><BR><A href="http://www.cookswell.co.ke"
target=_blank>www.cookswell.co.ke</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos"
target=_blank>www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com"
target=_blank>www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>Mobile: +254 700 380 0 09 <BR></DIV>
<DIV>Mobile: <A href="tel:%2B254%20700%20905%20913" target=_blank
value="+254700905913">+254 700 905 913</A></DIV>
<DIV>P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya</DIV>
<DIV><IMG
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width=71 height=96><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV>On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Ronal W. Larson <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
target=_blank>rongretlarson@comcast.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">
<DIV>Teddy et al:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I have just visited your web site and was very
impressed. You obviously have a big concern about charcoal being
produced badly - so thank for that. I like your comments on
where/how to manufacture stoves. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> You also look like a great company to manufacture
char-making stoves. Is that possibly on the horizon for
cookswelljikos?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ron</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jan 11, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Cookswell Jikos <<A
href="mailto:cookswelljikos@gmail.com"
target=_blank>cookswelljikos@gmail.com</A>&g t; wrote:</DIV><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Dear Richard, Salaams,
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I did meet Charles briefly once, but that was many years ago - I do
try to stay in touch as much as my work schedule allows with as many
other stovies in Kenya as I can but we are all a busy lot and dont get
to see each other enough. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In regards to your email above, I have found that at the end of the
day, whether or not the the stove was made in either of the
manufacturing systems discussed, it remains one of the last things on a
long list of reasons why my customers part with their hard earned money
to buy a Cookswell stove. </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Teddy </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV><B>Cookswell Jikos</B><BR><A href="http://www.cookswell.co.ke/"
target=_blank>www.cookswell.co.ke</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos"
target=_blank>www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com/"
target=_blank>www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>Mobile: <A href="tel:%2B254%20700%20380%20009" target=_blank
value="+254700380009">+254 700 380 009</A> <BR></DIV>
<DIV>Mobile: +254 700 905 913</DIV>
<DIV>P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV>On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Richard Stanley <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org"
target=_blank>rstanley@legacyfound.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<DIV style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">Habari gani, Teddy,
<DIV>Did you ever hear of Charles Onyando over in Kangemi? He passed
away a few years ago but was very active with stoves himself and he
worked with your father for a while in testing and design.
</DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#888888>
<DIV>Richard Stanley</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.legacyfound.org/"
target=_blank>www.legacyfound.org</A></DIV>
<DIV>Indani ya nchi ya US, kwa sasa</DIV></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:27 AM, Cookswell Jikos wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>Dear All,
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is a very interesting discussion that I have been happily
following during my travels this last week. I find that di scussions
like these help to define the complexities of the biomass cookstove
sector. I often wonder what other non-electric domestic cooking
appliances attract such passionate players and great thinkers in their
respective product lines. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I personally have been lucky enough to have been somewhat
involved in both ends of this question of centralized and
decentralized manufacture of cookstoves - my late dad, Dr. Max
Kinyanjui, would tell me of how once he almost quite the KCJ (Kenya
Ceramic Jiko) project when centralized production was initially
suggested, and thankfully he did not. Today I am currently looking
into designing flat pack systems for KCJ's and other associated sheet
metal cut outs ( charcoal making drum kilns, charcoal baking ovens
etc.) that can be locally assembled by networks of existing
manufactures; this is mainly to reduce raw material transport and
waste issues, increase standardization levels, increase customer/stove
maker interactions and to reduce end user costs. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I feel that one major design achievement to enhance stove
dissemination (but is perhaps a bit bad business) is to create
something that is so useful and easy to use, understand and make money
off of, to huge range of potential customers that replication,
sometimes for the better, many times for the worse, snowballs the
technology into the kitchens of the ones needing it most. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>To the Cookswell/Kinyanjui family, seeing our inventions and
designs being copied and sold in many countries by many levels of
manufacturers is one of the most satisfactory feelings of being good
stove makers. We also very much hope that more people will also begin
to take the time to appreciate the value of conducting a holistic
manufacturing process that gives due consideration to the life cycle
analysis of the product(s) in question.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And as we continue exploring not only the stove, but the entire
''seed-to-ash'' cycle of household biomass energy, I would just like
to send a vote of thanks to all those who actively contribute and
manage this list serve, it is very good stove reading. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Happy new years and all the best to all, </DIV>
<DIV><BR>Teddy Kinyanjui </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sustainability Director </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>
<DIV><B>Cookswell Jikos</B><BR><A href="http://www.cookswell.co.ke/"
target=_blank>www.cookswell.co.ke</A></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos"
target=_blank>www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos</A>
<DIV><A href="http://www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com/"
target=_blank>www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>Mobile: <A href="tel:%2B254%20700%20380%20009" target=_blank
value="+254700380009">+254 700 380 009</A> <BR></DIV>
<DIV>Mobile: <A href="tel:%2B254%20700%20905%20913" target=_blank
value="+254700905913">+254 700 905 913</A></DIV>
<DIV>P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya</DIV>
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src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mFnK50B4oS8/UUrgJle8z9I/AAAAAAAAB_o/OUjLd7wrKPg/s133/Cookswell+Logo.PNG"
width=71 height=96><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV>On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Ranyee Chiang <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:rchiang@cleancookstoves.org"
target=_blank>rchiang@cleancookstoves.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Interesting
topics for further discussion at ETHOS. A good way to frame
this discussion may be to think about ways that the different types
of efforts can be integrated together, or how they can learn from
each other. Certainly from the Global Alliance's point of
view, both types of efforts are important and require different
types of tailored support. It would be useful to hear some
discussion about the specifics of the tailored support that is
needed in each case. And overall, I think that a discussion
focused &quo t;and" not "versus" would be quite
interesting.<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Ranyee<BR>________________________________________<BR>From:
<A href="mailto:ethos-bounces@vrac.iastate.edu"
target=_blank>ethos-bounces@vrac.iastate.edu</A> <<A
href="mailto:ethos-bounces@vrac.iastate.edu"
target=_blank>ethos-bounces@vrac.iastate.edu</A>> on behalf of
Paul Anderson <<A href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
target=_blank>psanders@ilstu.edu</A>><BR>Sent: Wednesday, January
01, 2014 3:33 PM<BR>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; ETHOS
- Listserve<BR>Subject: Re: [Ethos] [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion about
decentalized stove efforts<BR>
<DIV><BR>Ben,<BR><BR>Please provide more info about that
suggestion/recommendation. When was<BR>it, and to whom?
Any viable contacts that could be reached for
further<BR>clarification?<BR><BR>In general, the decentralized
elements are not "organized" and have far<BR>fewer
funds. Much of it is lobbying and money to get decisions
that<BR>favor those who can lobby and have the money
already. Because that is<BR>not likely to change,
what strategies are possible for decentralized<BR>efforts even in
relatively small geographic areas?<BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Doc
/ Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson,
PhD<BR>Email: <A href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
target=_blank>psanders@ilstu.edu</A><BR>Skype:
paultlud Phone: <A
href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" target=_blank
value="+13094527072">+1-309-452-7072</A><BR>Website: <A
href="http://www.drtlud.com/"
target=_blank>www.drtlud.com</A><BR><BR>On 12/31/2013 8:51 PM, Ben
Blevins wrote:<BR>> Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized
for various reasons, there consulting was rejected because the
finding did not reinforce the message of mass production and
distribution by development industry players.<BR>><BR>>
B<BR>><BR>><BR>> On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson
<<A href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
target=_blank>psanders@ilstu.edu</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>>
Dear Paal, and all,<BR>>><BR>>> As much as I can agree
with Paal's statements, but I think the cards are stacked against
the success of decentralized efforts.<BR>>><BR>>> The
issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized
production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the
"model" of the affluent world is for centralized industrial
production. That centralized model is certainly a
cornerstone of the GACC and WB and many who feel that the
model of the affluent world will work to resolve major issues in the
developing world. And they control access to most of the
funding. And they present very convincing
arguments. (If they could not, they would not be in
control of the situation.)<BR>>><BR>>> It would be good
to have some examples of decentralized efforts having major
impacts. Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko
(KCJ) is one example.<BR>>><BR>>> I will be at ETHOS and
willing for such discussions if others step forward wanting to
discuss this informally as an ad hoc
sub-group.<BR>>><BR>>> Paul<BR>>><BR>>>
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson,
PhD<BR>>> Email: <A href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
target=_blank>psanders@ilstu.edu</A><BR>>> Skype:
paultlud Phone: <A
href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" target=_blank
value="+13094527072">+1-309-452-7072</A><BR>>> Website:
<A href="http://www.drtlud.com/"
target=_blank>www.drtlud.com</A><BR>>><BR>>> On
12/31/2013 10:15 AM, <A href="mailto:paaw@online.no"
target=_blank>paaw@online.no</A> wrote:<BR>>>> On Tue, 31
Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700,<BR>>>> <A
href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target=_blank>stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</A>
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> Due to health and age it
will not be possible for me to participate, but after 30 years
working with task and followed the discussion at Stove list I have
come to this conclusion.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or
decentralized activities regarding fuel an d stove production with a
view on the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken
into consideration the high demands of clean combustion, pellets
will be the future biomass fuel for simple clean burning such as
TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and agriculture energy production
together collection of waste biomass of different types will give a
lot of new needed jobs.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
· Registration of
local waste combustible
biomass.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
· Use of local
resources<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
· Biochar production
by cooking.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> That will be the
best way for GACC Stove program to support the low income groups all
around the worl<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Best regards
Paal Wendelbo <A href="mailto:paaw@online.no"
target=_blank>paaw@online.no</A><BR>>>>
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