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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Paul Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Stovers,<br>
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The snip below from Crispin raises good questions that should be
discussed, at ETHOS and on the Listserv and at the testing
centers:<br>
On 1/15/2014 3:29 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">There are so many sectors of the
stove market that we should prepare appliances for and it
is good to be reminded now and then that the local use to
which a stove might be put could be very much unlike
‘cooking’.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">In Indonesia people routinely have 4
or 5 different cooking devices which they use when they
are preparing ‘that food’, just like I do at home. Each
one can be called a stove, but they are specialised,
really, and do something things really well that he others
do not.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Cecil Cook in his investigations
last year into the use of fuels and stove found people in
Central Java (where is about to be launched an improved
stove rollout) were very adept at picking particular fuels
for certain purposes, as well as using multiple stoves
during any month. Come fuels were used only for high power
and some for keeping a fire <i>just</i> going for a long
time. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Basically, a stove (any stove) should be tested in relation to its
intended and highly likely use. <br>
<br>
This testing should NOT be the only testing. Certainly testing
with accepted standard test procedures should be INCLUDED so that
stoves can be compared, especially if the stove is to be for
"general" cooking practices, not the specialized ones such as those
of the Indonesian cooks. <br>
<br>
But standard testing should NOT be the only testing if a stove has a
special purpose, such as boiling water for drinking (nobody simmers
their drinking water!!!)<br>
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Without BOTH types of testing, the stove APPROVERS would only be
able to judge according to the standard results.<br>
<br>
By saying "approvers" I am referring to:<br>
<br>
A. the guardians of the Tier system based on only the complete
tests<br>
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and <br>
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B. The actually cooks who could quickly reject an "approved stove
for general usage" when they know very well that a NOT-APPROVED
stove does their specific cooking task so much better.<br>
<br>
A or B. Make your choice. Or perhaps the guardians of "A"
should include tests (or separate REPORTED results) specific to some
very common types of cooking, such as boiling water, or high-heat
frying, or just the simmer part (which can be accomplished very well
by a smaller version of many of our stoves.<br>
<br>
Essentially, if these important specifics are not provided, much of
the system of stove testing with the standard WBT will be ignored.<br>
<br>
Or worse, the standard WBT results could mean that favoritism for
some stove manufacturers (for funding and for Tier qualification)
could result is the reduced availability (or even banning) of some
excellent stoves that serve important but specific tasks.<br>
<br>
I hope this is discussed at ETHOS, on the Listserv, and beyond.<br>
<br>
Paul (in Tanzania, on Saturday at an Adventist facility, so sort
of like a day off in order to catch up. But I will go to villages
tomorrow, and then home in time for ETHOS and the Aprovecho Open
House.)<br>
<br>
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