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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Dear Candela and Ruy,<BR> <BR>Yes, <BR>to switch to LPG (fossil fuel) from open biomass fires, is not directly contributeing to Climate change, but the Production line and refinement of the Liquid gas, does a LOT.<BR>In the North Sea and Nigeria, they flare off tonnes of CO2, every hour.<BR> <BR>If you only see this, as an Health issue and in short terms, the contribution from LPG is VERY positive.<BR>BUT the long term effect, can cause a lot of side effects and become the end of mankind.<BR> <BR>That`s why this cannot be considered under the CDM regime.<BR> <BR>To avoid any opsticals and discuessions around the CDM topic, you just swith to gasifier units using dry biomass as fuel..................<BR> <BR>Kind regards<BR> <BR>Otto F.<br> <BR><div>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:02:00 +1300<br>> From: korscha@gmail.com<br>> To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> Subject: [Stoves] Questions about CDM Methodology AMS.II-G: "Energy efficiency measures in thermal applications of non-renewable biomass"<br>> <br>> Hola Candela,<br>> <br>> The project activity you are talking about involves the switch from<br>> biomass (a renewable fuel) to LPG (fossil fuel). Arguably, this switch<br>> is not sustainable. Now, the CDM accepts the concept of Non Renewable<br>> Biomass (NRB) for the dissemination of improved devices using biomass<br>> that hypothetically result in less deforestation. To access carbon<br>> finance, project proponents must develop a story comparing a NRB<br>> baseline and project scenarios.<br>> <br>> Since the use of LPG is generally less carbon intensive per unit of<br>> heat delivered than wood or charcoal, some project storytellers argue<br>> that the switch from NRB to LPG reduce GHG emissions. I was one of<br>> these storytellers and wrote a project design document (PDD) in<br>> Morocco 7 years ago that involved the displacement of wood with LPG<br>> bread ovens. At that time, there was a specific proposed (not<br>> approved) methodology (should still be somewhere) that allowed the<br>> NRB-LPG switch. However, the project activity is controversial and did<br>> not make to the CDM. Since it is common practice for project<br>> storytellers who fail to comply with CDM requirements to turn their<br>> attention to the voluntary carbon markets, the NGO I was working with<br>> looked at voluntary carbon buyers. Typically, the voluntary<br>> "offsetters" are interested in greening their image so they have to<br>> tell the story over and over again to their clients. When the story of<br>> a project is difficult to transmit to the consumers of supposedly<br>> "carbon neutral" goods or services, finance from carbon offsetting<br>> fails to reach recipients.<br>> <br>> The story we are discussing is weak but I am sure some will buy it in<br>> the voluntary carbon markets. Suggest to not focus on the CDM.<br>> <br>> Best regards,<br>> <br>> Ruy<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> > Message: 9<br>> > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:43:50 +0100<br>> > From: Candela de la sota s?ndez <candelasota@gmail.com><br>> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>> > <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] Questions about CDM Methodology AMS.II-G:<br>> > "Energy efficiency measures in thermal applications of non-renewable<br>> > biomass"<br>> <br>> ><br>> > Hello again!<br>> ><br>> > I'm using the CDM methodology AMS.II-G: "Energy efficiency measures in<br>> > thermal applications of non-renewable biomass" and I'm facing some<br>> > problems.<br>> ><br>> > I don't know if this methodology can be applied to a project which aims to<br>> > deplace traditional biomass by LPG stoves.<br>> > The scope and applicability definition don't consider the option of<br>> > swiching non-renewable biomass use by fossil fuel use, but it is not<br>> > excluded either.<br>> ><br>> > Here is the link to the methodology. I think it is quite ambiguous on this<br>> > point. If you look at equation 5 (page 6) is MAYBE here where we can<br>> > introduce LPG consumption.<br>> ><br>> > http://cdm.unfccc.int/filestorage/7/m/24G3EKN6PT0QJ1BHRICMYDX97OW8UF.pdf/EB70_repan30_AMS-II.G_ver05.0.pdf?t=NHJ8bXp1bDNufDDA-vLs3oAZbIPBlUqf1vbZ<br>> ><br>> > Could anyone help me with this?<br>> ><br>> > Thank you!<br>> ><br>> > candela<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Stoves mailing list<br>> <br>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> <br>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> <br>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/<br>> <br></div> </div></body>
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