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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hello Nolbert,<BR> <BR>Good points, but you seems to underestimate the potential for the gasfier stoves in an urban setting, using sundried woodchips and/or pellets as fuel.<BR> <BR>A LOT of chopped Wood in the rural areas, goes to Production of charcoal for sale in the larger cities, Cash Crop, if you like.<BR>Now they can sell sundried and prepared woodchips, reducing the demand for trees by more than 50%, less deforestation.<BR> <BR>A clean burning stoves means, no smoke, yes.<BR>And every child in Africa, who grew up in a rural setting, knows VERY WELL, what humid firewood during the rains, will do to Your eyes from the toxic smoke, as simple as that.<BR> <BR>Otto F. <br> <BR><div>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 17:00:23 +0300<br>> From: muhumuza@gmail.com<br>> To: stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>> CC: atbelonio@yahoo.com; alangetsemail@gmail.com; ahilliard@gmail.com; rchiang@cleancookstoves.org; jg45@mac.com; biochar-production@yahoogroups.com; jerry@whitfieldbiochar.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar-production] Continuous TLUD for cooking<br>> <br>> Hello Ronal,<br>> <br>> Just to add; from experience the four selling points for TLUD stoves are;<br>> 1. Time and fuel saving (cook faster, with much less biomass)<br>> 2. Use a wide variety of biomass (this has issues with chopping wood<br>> especially for rural Uganda)<br>> 3. Makes Charcoal that can be re-used in another charcoal stove or as biochar<br>> 4. Clean (less smoke aka toxins - but they dont really understand emissions)<br>> <br>> These are clear for potential users when we do a demo in villages.<br>> <br>> Nolbert.<br>> <br>> <br>> 2014-01-29, Ronal W. Larson <rongretlarson@comcast.net>:<br>> > Antony - with eleven ccs<br>> ><br>> > 1. First note nice help offered by Alan Cave in several messages<br>> > yesterday. They did not include your original request below.<br>> ><br>> > I agree with his remark that the continuous Belonio stoves that you found<br>> > at Paul Anderson's sites are down draft (BLDD) - and that may be the best<br>> > way to go. At the recent ETHOS conference I do not recall this topic coming<br>> > up. (I wrote 3-pager on that conference - available at the stoves site.)<br>> > The reason is the strong emphasis on stoves that cost $10-$20 - and I doubt<br>> > we can ever see continuous feed stoves in that price range. I talked to Dr.<br>> > Belonio a good bit over the last weekend, but this topic did not come up. I<br>> > include Alexis as a cc, as he is probably the best expert on this topic we<br>> > have.<br>> ><br>> > 2. I include the stoves list, because there is apt to be more expertise<br>> > there on your stove question than on the Biochar-production list. Tom Miles<br>> > added because he manages both lists and will have valuable thoughts.<br>> ><br>> > 3. I Include Jerry Whitfield, Jock Gill, Alex English, and Marc Pare as<br>> > they have all written on continuous feed char-makers; but none I think for<br>> > stoves. These are probably all horizontal feed (augers, moving grates,<br>> > etc.). See http://www.whitfieldbiochar.com (that is apparently in a<br>> > "hold" mode). Apologies to anyone I inadvertently left out who has been<br>> > thinking of continuous-feed stoves.<br>> ><br>> > 4. I include Dean Still and Ranyee Chiang as the best way to get this<br>> > topic into GACC discussions.<br>> ><br>> > 5. Can you explain more on why you are interested in this topic for<br>> > stoves? Do you have an upper price limit or particular stove application in<br>> > mind? Would several low cost batch TLUDs operating sequentially in parallel<br>> > meet your needs?<br>> ><br>> > I consider the non-continuous aspect of TLUDs as their biggest drawback -<br>> > so think we should all take this topic very seriously. I thank you for<br>> > bringing it up. In my mind, the other advantages of TLUDs (primarily time<br>> > savings and money-making) outweigh this disadvantage. But it would be very<br>> > nice to remove this disadvantage whenever an application allows the extra<br>> > expense that seems sure to accompany continuous operation.<br>> ><br>> > Ron<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Jan 28, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Anthill <ahilliard@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> ><br>> >><br>> >> Hi biochar-production people. Google has failed me. Do you know if anyone<br>> >> developed a biochar-generating stove that can run continuously? Something<br>> >> that:<br>> >><br>> >> - Produces water-quenched biochar<br>> >> - Runs continuously on pellets/chips<br>> >> - Unlikely to set fire to feed hopper<br>> >> - Flame can be used for cooking<br>> >><br>> >> What I'm thinking of is something like:<br>> >><br>> >> http://imgur.com/a/BGADk<br>> >><br>> >> Google has showed me:<br>> >><br>> >> The BEK biochar generator<br>> >> http://bekbiochar.pbworks.com/w/page/6465132/FrontPage<br>> >> - Not for cooking<br>> >><br>> >> Wallace's biochar generator<br>> >> http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/wallaceACpatent<br>> >> - Not woodgas-running<br>> >><br>> >> Belonio's continuous rice husk generator<br>> >> http://www.drtlud.com/2012/04/04/rice-husk-gasifier-new-papers/<br>> >> - No quenchable biochar?<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Any thoughts?<br>> >><br>> >> -Antony<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> __._,_.___<br>> >> Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New<br>> >> Topic Messages in this topic (1)<br>> >> RECENT ACTIVITY: New Members 1<br>> >> Visit Your Group<br>> >> Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest * Unsubscribe * Terms of Use<br>> >> .<br>> >><br>> >> __,_._,___<br>> ><br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Nolbert Muhumuza<br>> <br>> President & Chief Operations Officer<br>> Awamu Biomass Energy Ltd.<br>> P.O. 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