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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Mike,<br>
<br>
It is great to see your progress!!!<br>
<br>
My quick look at the sites you named did not reveal the answer to
these questions:<br>
<br>
A. Have you successfully make pellets from vetiver grass, and if
so, what are the energy characteristics?<br>
<br>
B. Where are vetiver grass pellets being made? And how can I
obtain 5 to 10 kg?<br>
<br>
When I have tested some pellets and know the costs, etc, I will be
a major advocate of growing vetiver grass.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 2/26/2014 10:36 AM, Michael Mahowald wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="3">You are </font>absolutely<font size="3"> correct
Paul !</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Deforestation happens all over the world
with the lack of fire wood.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">There simply is not enough dry sources of
trees or waste from them even for TLUD's to keep even poor
consumers </font>interested<font size="3"> in them.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">We know vetiver grass has the highest
photosynthetic activity of any plant, making it the most
renewable energy source on the planet. We just have to
densify the grass into pellets at a cost that people can
afford. The only way we can do this is to eliminate the
cost of diesel fuel to run the generator to make the
pellets.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">We are planning on using a downdraft
gasifier for gas to accomplish this. We just have to
perfect this process and size it for a portable pelleting
plant that can be taken to the fields they grow it.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">When we perfect this it will be capable to
work everywhere in the world that needs clean cook stoves. </font></div>
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<div><font size="3">If you want to see what we are doing check
out </font></div>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:43:31
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a><br>
Subject: [Stoves] The wood and char and fuel "debate" (was
a long time ago called Re: Request for technology
proposals - Clean Stove Initiative, Indonesia)<br>
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<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Dear Crispin, Ron and all,
<br>
<br>
It is interesting reading the back and forth between Ron
and Crispin. I emphasize two paragraphs from Crispin,<br>
<br>
On 2/24/2014 10:10 AM, Crispin Pembert-Pigott wrote:<br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">There
is no dispute between us whatsoever as to the
energy consumption: the energy remaining in the
char represents energy not liberated from the fuel
consumed. </span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">The
important question is not what we want, but what
the customer of the test result wants. They are
not asking how much energy was used when cooking,
they asked how much fuel was consumed. The answer
is of course different if there is char remaining
and that char is not ‘fuel’ to the same stove for
the next fire.</span></p>
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For the vast majority of "customers" (including
governments that want to reduce or reverse deforestation),
the important question is "how much wood is burned."
The interests are highly related to WOOD, specifically
related to TREES, not even counting sawdust that goes into
pellets.<br>
<br>
So, because TLUD stoves are VERY GOOD at burning NON-wood
biomass, the wood saved can be 100%. And we still get
the char.<br>
<br>
Concerning fuel and wood and non-wood and char and other
such measurements, the real problems can come from
rankings and Tiers and o
ther reports that could give excellent stoves some poor
results because the "authorities" are defining fuel as
being exclusively wood, as in trees and woodlands that
need to be protected.<br>
<br>
If we could get past that "imposed intellectual construct"
of fuel being wood, we could make more progress about some
types of biomass stoves being even better than good for
the environment. <br>
<br>
Rest assured that the advocates of alcohol and kerosene
and other NON-biomass fuels are pointing out that their
stoves help minimize deforestation/enviromental
degradation. <br>
<br>
Biomass that is NOT WOOD needs to be recognized as being
favorable for saving trees, and credit given to the stoves
that can use those non-wood biomass fuels. <br>
<br>
AND that recognition and credit needs to be EXPLICITLY
STATED IN THE REPORTS ABOUT FUEL CONSUMPTION.<br>
<br>
In some ways, this is all just another discussion about
why the reported results of any stove testing need much
explanation (which is usually not provided) and why the
results are so easy to ignore as being poorly related to
the realities of people and their stoves and their fuels.<br>
<br>
I hope we can do better in the future.<br>
<br>
Paul
(still another week to go on my vacation trip to
Brazil, so I probably will not be sending replies.)<br>
<pre class="ecxmoz-signature">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
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