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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dean,<br>
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      Please tell us about those pellets:  characteristics and source
      and used in what stove(s).    The experience by Awamu in Uganda
      does not agree with your statement.   But there could be different
      sources and different stoves.<br>
      <br>
      Paul<br>
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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD  
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   
Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
      On 3/6/2014 1:20 PM, Dean Still wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Tom,
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        <div>In Uganda the pellets were too dense and were hard to
          light. Do you know the density of USA heating stove pellets?</div>
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        <div>Best,</div>
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        <div>Dean</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Tom
          Miles <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target="_blank">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>></span>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Richard,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You
                    probably mean 0.6 g/cm3 (37 lb/ft3) which is very
                    good that’s better than most commercial wood
                    pellets. For reference the dry density of sawdust is
                    often about .160 g/cm3 (or 10 lb/ft3). The loose
                    density of straw is about 0.08 g/cm3 or (5 lb/ft3).
                    The press roll on a pellet mill exerts about 142
                    bars (2000 psig). If you can get those densities by
                    selecting materials, wetting, pressing at 12 bar and
                    drying you are doing very well. </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br>
                    Tom</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                        Stoves [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
                          target="_blank">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Legacy Found<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 06, 2014 10:46 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Cuber and size of
                        densifying machines. (no longer Re: The wood and
                        char and fuel "debate" )</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Crispin, what densities are you
                    seeking. We have seen densities of up to  0.6kg/cm^3
                    by use of really fine granular material charcoal
                    sawdust and certain other ag residues as infiller in
                    hand presses generating only about 12 bars pressure.</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">I have not attempted pellet
                    production but have no doubt that high pressure is
                    not needed: Rather its more about attention  to
                    blend particle density and size and variations
                    between these (sorting coefficients) that makes the
                    difference density wise. </p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">May look into it if anybody is
                    interested in the fuel pellet world.</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Richard<br>
                    <br>
                    Sent from my iPhone</p>
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                    On Mar 6, 2014, at 11:38, Crispin Pembert-Pigott
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com"
                      target="_blank">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>>
                    wrote:</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dear
                          Friends</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                          agree with Dean on this score. The air flow
                          through the pellets strongly affects the way
                          they burn if the device is constructed such
                          that the fuel contributes a significant
                          element of air control.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">These
                          devices</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><image002.jpg></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">
                        <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Are
                          ‘cubers’ in that they are producing densified
                          lumps that can be put into a stove. But they
                          will work best in a large stove such as is
                          used in China for space heating and cooking. 
                          The input material is straw and other stover.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
                          mechanism is an eccentric roller running
                          inside a perforated cage at maybe 60-100 RPM.
                          As Tom notes, power consumption is about 110
                          kW.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
                          far I don’t think the product is economically
                          viable as there is a subsidy involved. What we
                          need is a breakthrough technology that will
                          make densified fuel without the need for heat.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Crispin</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Paul,</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">I have seen the very
                            small pellets sold for heating stoves in the
                            US burn very cleanly. Larger sized pellets
                            did not burn as cleanly. </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Dean</p>
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