<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Dean et al<div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Was this poor lighting performance in a Rocket or TLUD or other? Do you (or anyone) think it should make a difference? And would 1/4” pellets of same density have the same problem? If not - what is the reason for a size difference?</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Anyone using a pellet stove for space heating able to say anything on problems with larger and/or more dense pellets? Are there warnings on the size of pellets for pellet-type space heaters?</div><div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:18 AM, Dean Still <<a href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com">deankstill@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Hi Paul,<div><br></div><div>The pellets were about one inch in diameter and very dense. Hard to light and went out easily.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Dean</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Paul Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Dean,<br>
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Please tell us about those pellets: characteristics and source
and used in what stove(s). The experience by Awamu in Uganda
does not agree with your statement. But there could be different
sources and different stoves.<br>
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Paul<br>
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<pre cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
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On 3/6/2014 1:20 PM, Dean Still wrote:<br>
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<div>In Uganda the pellets were too dense and were hard to
light. Do you know the density of USA heating stove pellets?</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>Dean</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Tom
Miles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target="_blank">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Richard,</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You
probably mean 0.6 g/cm3 (37 lb/ft3) which is very
good that’s better than most commercial wood
pellets. For reference the dry density of sawdust is
often about .160 g/cm3 (or 10 lb/ft3). The loose
density of straw is about 0.08 g/cm3 or (5 lb/ft3).
The press roll on a pellet mill exerts about 142
bars (2000 psig). If you can get those densities by
selecting materials, wetting, pressing at 12 bar and
drying you are doing very well. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br>
Tom</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="144c664b24428537_14498c779ba49ea1__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></a></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 06, 2014 10:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Cuber and size of
densifying machines. (no longer Re: The wood and
char and fuel "debate" )</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Crispin, what densities are you
seeking. We have seen densities of up to 0.6kg/cm^3
by use of really fine granular material charcoal
sawdust and certain other ag residues as infiller in
hand presses generating only about 12 bars pressure.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I have not attempted pellet
production but have no doubt that high pressure is
not needed: Rather its more about attention to
blend particle density and size and variations
between these (sorting coefficients) that makes the
difference density wise. </p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">May look into it if anybody is
interested in the fuel pellet world.</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Richard<br>
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On Mar 6, 2014, at 11:38, Crispin Pembert-Pigott
<<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dear
Friends</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
agree with Dean on this score. The air flow
through the pellets strongly affects the way
they burn if the device is constructed such
that the fuel contributes a significant
element of air control.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">These
devices</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><image002.jpg></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Are
‘cubers’ in that they are producing densified
lumps that can be put into a stove. But they
will work best in a large stove such as is
used in China for space heating and cooking.
The input material is straw and other stover.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The
mechanism is an eccentric roller running
inside a perforated cage at maybe 60-100 RPM.
As Tom notes, power consumption is about 110
kW.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
far I don’t think the product is economically
viable as there is a subsidy involved. What we
need is a breakthrough technology that will
make densified fuel without the need for heat.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Crispin</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></b></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Paul,</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I have seen the very
small pellets sold for heating stoves in the
US burn very cleanly. Larger sized pellets
did not burn as cleanly. </p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Dean</p>
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