<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Jock etal<div><br></div><div> Or what if the char is put in the ground for climate reasons? Has huge value to some of us on that metric alone.</div><div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 27, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Jock Gill <<a href="mailto:jg45@icloud.com">jg45@icloud.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="auto" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div>Crispin,</div><div><br></div><div>I am happy with this if the value/benefit of the biochar is higher than the cost of the additional feedstock. For example, if the feedstock is scrap/waste with no higher use, its value is close to zero. Then the value of the Biochar can also be close zero as well. The special case where the feedstock can NOT be used by a combustion device voids the argument.</div><div><br></div><div>What is the issue if the biochar is used with forestry seedlings and substantially improves their success rate? There is some research that shows this may be the case. I expect Tom Miles has the cites for this. What is the value/benefit of biochar used to enhance the success rate of reforestation?</div><div><br></div><div>Or what if the biochar has economic value in the kitchen garden that is greater than the cost of the additional feedstock. Is this ipso facto a bad thing?</div><div><br></div><div>In the end, if a pyrolytic device can meet all of the health requirements and ALSO create new/additional economic and social benefits, then I am all for it. Only in the case where a pyrolytic device can be shown to actually reduce economic and social value/benefits would I be opposed.</div><div><br></div><div>This issue is cannot be evaluated on any one single metric. It is much more complex than that.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Jock</div><div><br></div><div><div>Jock Gill</div><div>P.O. Box 3</div><div>Peacham, VT 05862</div><div><br></div><div>Cell: (617) 449-8111</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a href="http://google.com/+JockGill" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">google.com/+JockGill</a></span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">:> Extract CO2 from the atmosphere! <:</span></div><div><br></div>Via iPad</div><div><br>On Mar 27, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Crispin Pembert-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dear Ron<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You are happy which this?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">“</span>I have only had time to skim, but it appears that char is still being handled in the old (acceptable) manner. I am talking about a subtraction in the denominator of entry W-35 for thermal efficiency on the sheets for Test1, Test2 and Test3.<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">”<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So a Quad-2 TLUD gasifier which actually uses 1.35 kg of (dry) wood each time it is used will have its ‘fuel consumption’ listed as 636 grams for a 5-litre WBT.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Isn’t that at least<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>slightly</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>misleading?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Stoves mailing list</span><br><span></span><br><span>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address</span><br><span><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:</span><br><span><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a></span></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>