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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Joshua,<br>
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THANKS for your reply. It provides encouragement for further
discussion.<br>
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Would you please do the following:<br>
1. Tell us more about yourself and your activities in Honduras,
including where in that country.<br>
2. What is the size of the TLUD you use with the coconut husk and
nut fuel?<br>
3. What is the arrangement for the combustion of the pyrolytic
gases?<br>
4. Do you utilize the heat that is created from those gases?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
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On 4/21/2014 9:16 PM, Joshua Bogart wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I have worked with coconut, husk sometimes
just the coir and sometimes the coir an shell together,
sometimes with the coconut meat inside. Here in Honduras
coconuts are sold in roadside stands mostly for the water.
After the water is drank out with a straw the the nut,
shell, husk and all is thrown in a pile beside the stand.
I dry the resulting nuts and burn them in a TLUD or in a
slash pile. The coir simply falls apart, into powder when
carbonized and the shell needs some mechanical processing.
I can't say how good the resulting biochar is because I
mix with other types of biomass. But the whole or half
nuts burn well in a TLUD.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:07 PM,
Paul Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Thank you, Michael, for your insightful
coments (below). Here are some thoughts in
response:<br>
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1. I focus on places where husks and shell
accumulate. What is processed is
wonderful. May it continue and prosper.
But there are piles (I have been assured) in
many places.<br>
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2. I am envisioning piles of husks (skin,
pith, and coir), some with shell still
attached. Perhaps in shape of about 1/3rd
to 1/5th of the whole coconut. Some might
still be intact. A pile in the sun.
could be spread out for sun-drying. A bit
of dirt or sand does not matter.<br>
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3. If the shell is actually separate
(because of prior processing), it is an
issue of smashing tough semi-spherical
pieces of shell. SMASH without much concern
about some of the pieces becoming too small
should NOT be of much concern. Allow for
some waste of "too small" pieces. Lift a
substantial weight and let it fall requires
effort,but I suspect that someone can make
some suggestions that yield a net gain
because the shell is SOOOOO good as a TLUD
fuel. Like pellets in some ways. And
pellets require substantial energy to be
made.<br>
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4. Mainly about the husk pieces (but
possibly related to shell also), I want to
suggest and discuss the drying and even the
partial (maybe full??) torrification of that
biomass. After all, WASTE heat is one of
the abundant leftovers of burning pyrolytic
gases created when making char/biochar.
So, TOAST the stuff!!! Really, that is
more of a question than a statement.<br>
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5. What do we know about the torrification
of husks (and of shells) of coconuts? Can
somebody find out, please? First
requirement is that you need some husks
(and shells) (sorry, I do not have any).
After that, put heat to it any way you want
to. If torrified husk (or shell) can be
then appropriately sized for use in TLUDs or
any other combustion device, that would be
progress.<br>
<br>
Comments (and maybe results?) are requested.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<pre cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
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On 4/16/2014 4:10 AM, Michael N Trevor
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<div>Actually when dealing with coconut
husk there are two elements</div>
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<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">coir
which it the fiber and then the
pith light weigh sawdust like
stuff left over after
mechanically separating the two.</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">As
is husk is rather large in
volume and not very dense making
is a rather low grade fuel. The
extracted fibers have a great
many uses. I believe here, it is
the pith that is left over that
is being discussed. This can be
resinated and turn in to a
Masonite like material. It is
also used as soil amendment and
it can be compressed into
densified pellet as fuel.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">Shell
on its own is a great fuel
however it is also a superb
charcoal as well. A process
that can reduce shell into a
easily used</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">gasifier
fuel to produce charcoal will be
a double winner.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">Over
all husk and shell are pretty
tough stuff and it takes some
pretty serious machinery to
slice dice chop and grind into
useable by products</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">Michael
Trevor</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">Majuro
Marshall Islands</font></div>
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