<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi all,<br></div>If anyone would like to see Gus' video right now, without waiting go to the SeaChar FB page: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/SeaChar">https://www.facebook.com/SeaChar</a> It's right at the top of the page. This is the beginning of what we have been needing so badly in Central America for biochar/stove projects: a line of devices with a range of accessories. Great work Gustavo.<br>
</div>Art<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Paul Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear all, especially Frank and Crispin,<br>
<br>
Gustavo has presented a very nice video of the use of a tall TLUD
gasifier under a DUAL purpose stove frame (frame = stove structure
without the heat source) that first boiled 5 liters of water in 12
minutes, and then converted into a plancha stove with chimney,
cooking papusas (related to tortillas). Total cooking time 1
hour 45 minutes on one batch of wood chips/chunks (5237 grams)
that yielded 1300 g of char. 25% weight yield of char. Probably
could have operated an additional 10 minutes with pyrolysis fire
and a slightly lower percentage yield of char.<br>
<br>
You who are on the Biochar and on the Stoves Listservs have not
seen this 10 minute mp4 video because it is 9.4 MB. I am sure
that Tom and Erin will make it available via the Websites and send
the link. And I will try to have it soon of <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><br>
<br>
Note: That is approximately 4000 g of fuel of pyrolytic gases
(including moisture content that was probably near 15%). Any ash
content (probably 1% of the raw fuel) remained in the char.<br>
<br>
With the above information, the folks who are strong with number
(Crispin, Frank, Tom and others) can calculate many important
values such as <br>
<br>
A. energy released [[ I think it is about 10 to 12 MJ per
kg of gases, so that is about 40 to 48 MJ released, with about 16
to 30 MJ of energy remaining in the char. This relates to a side
discussion about the value / amount of the energy in the gases vs.
in the char when TLUD stoves operate to completion of a batch of
fuel (so there is no need to separate out any un-pyrolyzed
fuel). MANY variables, so the numbers are still quite
approximate. ]]<br>
<br>
B. average fire power over the time of the batch: Using 44 MJ
released in 1.75 hours, that is 25 MJ per hour, which is a 7 kW
fire. That matches well with the 12 minutes to boil 5 liters.<br>
<br>
Sorry if you have not seen the video yet, but it will be available
via websites as soon as possible.<br>
<br>
Gustavo, WELL DONE for this initial experience. This all bodes
well for the future of TLUD thermal power into so many types of
plancha stoves. <br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: <a href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a>
Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 5/27/2014 9:05 AM, Inversiones Falcon wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Dear Paul I have been working on our project, but
until now I found the way to send you a good video, we can
adjust any TLUD to all our frames (even desing new model for
street vendors) I will like to tried to make an oven but at
this moment I`m short of budget fot something like this,
pleas send comments on this video</span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>Best Regar</span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>Gus</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Tuesday,
May 27, 2014 7:22 AM, Paul Anderson
<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank"><psanders@ilstu.edu></a> wrote:<br>
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<div>Harry<br clear="none">
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</div>
<div>
<div>I have added
Art Donnelly to the list of recipients. He has
additional experience about the stove structures
(also called frames, and I am liking that term
more each time I think of it) under which we will
place the TLUDs as heat sources. And he knows
Gustavo and what I am trying to establish.</div>
<div><br clear="none">
I also add Jon and Flip Anderson, who have
extensive Haiti experience with stoves.</div>
<div><br clear="none">
Basic terminology of cookstoves: The frame holds
the pot, and is separate from the source of
heat. Together they constitute a complete stove.<span> The frame is essentially the "stove
structure" excluding the parts that create the
heat. </span></div>
<div> </div>
<div>If this needs
further clarification, then it is the "independent
frame" of the stove. THIS is important in TLUD
stoves, and is generally disregarded in many other
stoves where the pot holding features are
structurally related to the heat-making features,
as in most Rocket stoves and plancha stoves that
have mud and clay and generally heavy stove bodies
that do not have pot-holding frames that are
independent of the heat making features. <br clear="none">
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Regarding the TLUD stoves, the frame therefore can
be everything that is above the fuel chamber.
Even the concentrator lid/disk can be attached to
the frame. Certainly the riser (that so greatly
influences the natural draft) can be part of the
frame, and has be called the "coupler." An
excellent example of this is the tripod frame with
coupler of the Champion TLUD stove that is made by
Servals in India. (If you are not familiar with
this, be sure to see it soon at many places,
including <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.servals.in/" target="_blank">www.servals.in</a>
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The frame not only holds the pot, it can also
channel the heat (hot emissions) to and around the
pot, with great improvement of the heat transfer
(thermal efficiency).</div>
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<div><br clear="none">
I am working on this as a document. Now we need to
assist Harry to be able to make an appropriate frame
for Haiti. Low cost, local materials.<br clear="none">
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Paul<br clear="none">
<pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: <a href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a>
Website: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 5/26/2014 6:32 AM, Harry Ha wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr"><b>I will make frames to fit your
stoves in. HH</b><br clear="none">
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<hr>From: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:harryha@sympatico.ca" target="_blank">harryha@sympatico.ca</a><br clear="none">
To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>;
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:invfalcones53@yahoo.com" target="_blank">invfalcones53@yahoo.com</a>;
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Subject: RE: Up-date<br clear="none">
Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 22:33:47 -0400<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Paul and Everyone,
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</div>
<div>The first two pictures show three
metal gratings 14", 10" and 11" in
square sizes. The last two pictures are
free standing gratings, double 13"
squares 19" high and 13' sqaure 13"
high.</div>
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<div>Harry<br clear="none">
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<div>
<hr>From:
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:harryha@sympatico.ca" target="_blank">harryha@sympatico.ca</a><br clear="none">
To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>;
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:invfalcones53@yahoo.com" target="_blank">invfalcones53@yahoo.com</a>;
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:ameripham@click1.net" target="_blank">ameripham@click1.net</a>;
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:peter.schild.mittelamerika@gmail.com" target="_blank">peter.schild.mittelamerika@gmail.com</a>;
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Subject: RE: Up-date<br clear="none">
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 05:27:57 -0400<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Paul,
<div><br clear="none">
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<div>You can take free-standing
stoves, institutional/commercial
and domestic types, as I
described, and fit your stoves in
the frames without charcoal
holding grilles on top. I will
make frame here at a local metal
shop I am working with.</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>Harry<br clear="none">
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<div>
<hr>From:
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:harryha@sympatico.ca" target="_blank">harryha@sympatico.ca</a><br clear="none">
To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>;
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:invfalcones53@yahoo.com" target="_blank">invfalcones53@yahoo.com</a>;
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:ameripham@click1.net" target="_blank">ameripham@click1.net</a>;
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:peter.schild.mittelamerika@gmail.com" target="_blank">peter.schild.mittelamerika@gmail.com</a>;
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:solarbobky@yahoo.com" target="_blank">solarbobky@yahoo.com</a><br clear="none">
Subject: RE: Up-date<br clear="none">
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 20:39:54
-0400<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Paul and
Everybody,
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>Typical street food
vendors's stove is <b>18
in. x 18 in. x 24 in. high
</b>made with half inch
concrete reinforcing steel
bars. It comes in single,
double and triple in line
with 1 in. spacing between.
The stoves take 24 in.
aluminium pot to cook rice
and various topping stews on
cooked rice. Cooking
charcoal burns on concave
metal grilles about 7 in.
deep in the middle.</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>Domestic stove has no
standing frame. Charcoal
burns on rectangular concave
metal grilles with their
sizes ranging <b>10 to 13
inches </b>that sit on
concrete opening in
corresponding sizes. Ash is
accumulated in <b>16 to 18
in. deep pits. </b>Your
domestic stoves can be
placed in the pit with
traditional metal grille on
top. This case is for build
in kitchen that has concrete
cooking counter. But many
households have open kitchen
with no cooking counter. In
this case the stoves are
similar to commercial ones
in smaller scale.</div>
<div><b><br clear="none">
</b></div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br clear="none">
</div>
<div>Harry<br clear="none">
509 4741 0820 Haiti</div>
<div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:harryha@sympatico.ca" target="_blank">harryha@sympatico.ca</a></div>
<div>17 Ruelle DeJean,
Gonaives, Haiti</div>
<div><br clear="none">
<div>
<hr>Date:
Sun, 18 May 2014 22:53:11
-0500<br clear="none">
From: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><br clear="none">
To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:harryha@sympatico.ca" target="_blank">harryha@sympatico.ca</a>;
<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:invfalcones53@yahoo.com" target="_blank">invfalcones53@yahoo.com</a>;
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Subject: Fwd: Up-date<br clear="none">
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Dear Harry, Thong and
Gustavo and Peter and Bob,<br clear="none">
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See the photo and also
Harry's message below,
then I have my message to
all of you.<br clear="none">
<div><br clear="none">
<pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: <a href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a>
Website: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
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The picture is
street side cooking
stoves that is every
where in towns and
cities in Haiti. The
Pots are 2 feet in
diameter. Can your
institutional stove
can adapt to that
using the same stand
framing?
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<div>When Thong
comes on 17th next
month, I would
like to see his
demonstration.</div>
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<div>Harry<br clear="none">
<div>*************************<br clear="none">
New message from
Paul<br clear="none">
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We need the
measurements of
the cooking
stand and the
pots that are
used.
Especially the
height of the
cooking stand.<br clear="none">
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Gustavo in El
Salvador will
be the
manufacturer /
source of the
TLUD gasifier
and any other
things that need
to be sent to
Haiti. We will
need to discuss
before anything
is finalized and
made. They do
not make
tortillas in
Haiti, so
Gustavo's
plancha stove is
not
appropriate.
But we will make
other components
that can fit
into the Haiti
situation.<br clear="none">
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Thong, what are
your travel
dates in July?
And can you and
Harry get
together?<br clear="none">
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Paul<br clear="none">
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