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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>Dear Anand</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=adkarve@gmail.com href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com">Anand Karve</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kchisholm@ca.inter.net
href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">Kevin</A> ; <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 21, 2014 1:53
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] planting trees (
the way I'd do it 1, 000, 000, 000 years from now)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Dear Kevin,</DIV>
<DIV>I had somehow missed reading your message earlier. Thanks for all
the alternatives. The roots of most crops remain in the field in any case and
they rot in situ, providing food to the soil microbes. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri># Yes, indeed!! as they say "Feed the soil, and
the plants can take care of themselves." Removing roots robs the soil of
organic matter, makes the soil more prone to erosion, and disturbs existing
"soil life form relationships."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> As far as biomass based fuels are concerned, we have succeeded in
making biomass briquettes and char briquettes, and making gases
in the form of wood gas, coal gas and biogas. But users are not very
happy with solid or gaseous fuels. There is a general demand for liquid fuels,
an interesting area of research in which I am personally interested.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri># Sadly, it is all too easy to make liquid
fuels that are difficult to burn, toxic, messy, difficult to handle, and
variable in composition. The challenge seems to be in making liquid fuels that
are easy and convenient to use, and that have consistent properties, while
still being affordable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>Kevin</FONT></DIV><FONT size=4
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<DIV><BR>Yours</DIV>
<DIV>A.D.Karve<BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Kevin <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net"
target=_blank>kchisholm@ca.inter.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear AD</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>800,000,000 tons of Agricultural Waste is indeed a
huge potential resource! How should it be handled to be of the highest
possible value to the People of India?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Clearly:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Some should be returned to the soil directly to
improve soil organic matter</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Some should be composted, and added back to the
soil</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Some should be converted to char for use as
biochar</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Some should be converted to char for use as
fuel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Some should be used directly as fuel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Some should be processed into pellets or briquettes
for energy use</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Some should be used as animal feed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Some should be incinerated simply to dispose of
excess in the least costly manner</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Some should be used to make useful
by-products</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>* Others....???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I would suggest that the People of India would get the
greatest value for this potential resource if it was put to "diverse uses",
rather than all being used for a single purpose. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV><SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT
color=#888888>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=adkarve@gmail.com href="mailto:adkarve@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Anand Karve</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target=_blank>Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 15, 2013 2:31
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] planting trees
( the way I'd do it 1, 000, 000, 000 years from now)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>Dear Stovers,
<DIV> We convert agricultural waste into charcoal by using a TLUD
type of kiln and briquette the powdery char. In India, we produce annually
about 800 million tons of agricultural waste, which can theoretically
yield about 166 million tons of charcoal. There is no need to cut any
trees for charcoal. </DIV>
<DIV>Yours</DIV>
<DIV>A.D.Karve</DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Cookswell Jikos
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:cookswelljikos@gmail.com"
target=_blank>cookswelljikos@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial>OK.... as discouraging
as the facts may be, the facts are reality, and they must be dealt with
to avoid future problems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial>1: Can different
species be grown, that have higher Mean Annual Increments of
growth?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Yes - at least in East African
drylands - the traditional colonial methods of silviculture were focused
on high land pine and cypress plantations
not indigenous dry land adapted trees. (which now provides the
feedstock for more of Kenyas charcoal) Since 1994 we have been
experimenting with different dryland planting and
agronomic techniques (please see <A
href="http://www.acts.or.ke/dmdocuments/PROJECT_REPORTS/PISCES_Sustainable_Charcoal.pdf"
target=_blank>http://www.acts.or.ke/dmdocuments/PROJECT_REPORTS/PISCES_Sustainable_Charcoal.pdf</A> pg.
7) and most of our findings so far have led us to belive that endimic
tree species managed in a holistic and permacutrual manner produce
coppiced 'branch' charcoal with an excellent life cycle analysis
profile. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial>2: Can the woodlots be
managed better?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial>I think there is always room
for improvement in many fields, but I have definitely noticed
more small and large farms in Kenya appling more of a conservation
agriculture approach to land use
planning. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial>3: Can cooking
practises be changed?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Yes - but with
great difficulty. Imagine me coming from Kenya to tell your grandma
that she's all wrong and vice versa... </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>What I have found though is that as
people achieve higher incomes (and watch more TV) in East Africa
cooking energy sources becomes more mixed and
more specialized depending on the dish being
cooked. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial>4: Would more efficient
stoves help significantly?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial>The Kenya Ceramic Jiko has
been one of the most widely disseminated cookstoves in East Africa, on
one hand, it saves users up to 50% on their charcoal bills
compared to all metal non-insulated stoves. On the other hand, me
and my father always wondered that if by making popularly stove that
made it cheaper and easier to use charcoal coupled
with population growth, did we not create more of a
fuel dependency? This is why since the 1990's we have been
advocating as much as possible to encourage all other stove makers to
also think about provisions for reafforestation
efforts. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial>5: Can other forms of
fuel, or other sources of energy, be used to take some of the
pressure off the woodlots?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#0000ff>Please see this
recently released quite amazing document from ICRAF <A
href="http://www.slideshare.net/agroforestry/miyuki-iiyamaicrafcharcoal-review2013"
target=_blank>http://www.slideshare.net/agroforestry/miyuki-iiyamaicrafcharcoal-review2013</A> ''What
happend to the charcoal crisis?''</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#0000ff><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#0000ff>Yes, but if as WWF
has seen in Virunga, if people switch to fossil fuels, what happens when
they are found under forests? And even solar cookers and microwaves may
not help as much as if one takes into account the Life Cycle Analysis of
the transport, computing power to design one etc... a 3 stone fire and
growing your own trees start looking more attractive. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT color=#0000ff><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial>I am a
great proponent of tree based biomass energy for at least
people's sunday BBQ's ( which is a huge cause of charcoal us in Kenya!)
due to the fact of all the other ecological trickledown
effects. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial>6: Would some form of
"Agroforestry" be possible, to put the land to a higher use, with
multi-cropping?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial>...etc...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>yes we have tried food, fuel and
fodder combinations to good effect in Kajiado - linear non-woodlot
forestry is beginning to create more of an appearance in this
area as land becomes adjudicated and title deeds issued. Land tenure is
a huge obstacle to forestry in Kenya, this is why
I personally am in favour of things like aerial seeding
programs - if we some how grow too many trees, we will always be able to
cut them down to cook with! <A
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Many thanks for
your response. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial>Teddy </FONT></DIV></DIV>
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target=_blank>www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos</A></DIV>
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target=_blank>www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV>On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:15 AM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:Carefreeland@aol.com"
target=_blank>Carefreeland@aol.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Kevin and Stovers, </DIV>
<DIV> I am desperately wanting to farther study
points 1,2,5 and 6. You got my attention buddy. Sorry, I don't have a
100 year old experiment to show you the results of my work. I do not
do research papers because I'm an illiterate idiot. Many of you who
have been on this list a while may remember- this letter will be a
small record of the state of a sample of my research. Nobody has me
asked this lately but you, Kevin. I'll probably die knowing and
wanting to know way more than I can ever tell, if I talked the rest of
my life. It just seems to bore everybody but some Biomass people. I
miss you all out here alone trapped in the future. </DIV>
<DIV> My extensive experience with landscaping
and gardening suggests we have only begun to barely scratch the
surface of multicropping research. Mother Nature has done an amazing
job of this, but we are not after the same goals as her. Typical
natural forestry suggests that a 3 layer canopy is most efficent in
biomass productive environments. As we push into less productive land,
that will be different in both directions. . What each layer
consists of for any given set of environmental conditions is has wide
increasingly complex variables. Someday 100 years from now, a computer
program will be crunching in whatever is the Cray Super Computer of
that age. It will tell the then modern forester what works best-
maybe. Then, only experiments to compare the real time data to to the
computer model will fine tune the long term plan. </DIV>
<DIV> Modern complex forestry computer programs
mostly focus on select harvest models. Computer planting programs just
use current harvest data to optimise plantation - type management.
How do you get data on trees that take 300 years or more to be
fully mature? Recent studies suggest that 1000 year old Redwoods
are still increasing in biomass production over younger trees. Got
1000 years to collect data?? Maybe we should be breeding many trees to
grow 1000 years. </DIV>
<DIV> If we make half the progress growing
trees that we have made in a typical productive vegetable garden in
4000 or more years, you can throw out the predictions for production
numbers. New numbers may be easily a power of ten more productive.
Just look what small changes have brought us. When you consider the
efficiency of photosynthisis to convert sunlight into chemical energy,
that number theoreticlly can go two powers of ten or more. Not only do
we need to first optimise growing technique, but then optimise
breeding, and back to growing technique and so fourth. </DIV>
<DIV> I don't even want to consider pandoras
box of geneticly modified plants. I think outer space is the best
place to release them so they don't contaminate our biosphere like GM
corn has. I considered that thought over 20 years ago and it
merged with my childhood idea of growing trees on the moon and on
orbit. That is why I've wanted to merge a greenhouse with a
blacksmith shop. It's how space homesteads will do it. I discussed
this issue at a hydroponics conference in the early 1990's and
everybodys eyes rolled, so I just went out and worked on it with what
I had. Nobody came to collect the amazing data I saw everyday for
twenty years. A few years ago, my greenhouse was forced to close
and my finacial situation has nearly halted all my research. I hope to
slowly get back in the game if I don't loose my new 5 acre farm. It is
Gods gift to me for my study. Most of the assets of this land are
hidden and only of use to me. </DIV>
<DIV> Most of the forests today are being
primarlily managed for lumber of some type. Hunting wildlife is
about the only large second crop. Small private lands and prototype
corporate plantations are where the experiments are being done. When
we start to combine orchard and vegetable production with forestry,
the sky is the limit. I take that back, how far has the Big Bang blown
things open today? That is the limit. And this is how we will get out
there if we do, over a billion years of future evolution and space
travel. Call me crazy, but I saw a powerful vision as a child that
told me this. You just keep moving the decimal point on the equation.
Carl Sagan must have seen a vision like mine, and so I supported his
work long ago. Most thought he was craazy too. Thanks Carl. </DIV>
<DIV> I have been blessed to spend a little
time with one of the greatest foresters of our generation. John
Guthrie of Wiggins Mississippi fame. My crash course in Southern USA
forestry, shortly after Hurricane Katrina, taught me the following:
The closer we get to understanding the original native environment,
the better we can merge our needs to the use of the land given to us.
</DIV>
<DIV> John would be first to tell you that if
only a higher power can make a tree, who are we to decide how and
where to grow it? That has led him to push the reintroduction of
missing native tree species which have been eliminated one at a time.
Grown in plantations to examine and focuse on each, longleaf pine
is a good example. It was like the White Oak tree, the king of the
forest, until it was logged nearly to extinction. Currently, burning
of undergrowth is done like the Natives did for management in early
stage plantations. Timing is everything. We had lively conversation
about grazing and/ or underplanting of numerous shrub species to
reduce this practice. I think I opened up his mind by the smile on his
face. Some private plantations were doing this on a very basic
experimental level in 2006. </DIV>
<DIV> The forest plot I was camped in, had
longleaf pine being interplanted where select thining was being done
to young Southern Yellow Pine, It was John"s land right behind the
International Paper plant, so I think it was a prototype. The
thinnings were going mostly to chip and saw for OSB and other
products. The small thinings were hauled at harvest cost for pulp.
Katrina opened it up more - as if God were saying to John " you got
the idea boy, now go with it and I'll help yu". </DIV>
<DIV> Dr. Michler I belive is his name,
discussed his work at Purdue U. with me about 10 years ago. At the
time he was pioneering in the selecting of 3 hardwood species:
Red Oak, Black Cherry, and Walnut. An Indiana nursery was
selling the products of tissue culture of the best selected species.
Breeding of hardwoods was still in it's infancy. The new science then
was using gene mapping to select known genes to assist breeding of
trees which were only starting to bear fruit. That is very exciting
-more productive and safe than GM plants. I called because I
wanted to know if anybody had studied growing trees to make charcoal
fuel and he wondered what for..... </DIV>
<DIV> Kevin, I would like to add to your bucket
list a huge compounding factor number 7. What happens
when we do all of the above, yet look at secondary and multiple
layers of recycling of plants. For a great example you and I may have
discussed the fact that Charcoal production for an industrial fuel may
be the best utimate landfill killer. Demolition waste must be the
largest growing filler of landfills. I have done limited research into
which trees produce the best metallurgical charcoal. What happens when
we breed trees for example, to both build houses, then reuse the wood
to fuel a blast furnace to make the finest iron ever made?. The two
uses are very compatible. Just so happens that some of the strongest
hardwoods as well as pine species make real clean charcoal. The
hardwoods make the most dense charcoal by nature. We can also infuse
charcoal with additional hydrocarbons in the conversion process, with
net energy production. If we grow walnut trees for example, we can
produce food and many chemicals too at no additional cost. </DIV>
<DIV> Nearly every organic chemical can be
coaxed from living material. Don't even get me started on the
chemical refinery/production avenue. I've said enough. I cannot do
much more or take time to record what I've found out or can find
out without a break in life somewhere. That is why I don't contribute
much anymore to these lists. It gets me all excited, and then
frustration sets in. I have 3 kids to raise and cannot waste my time
playing with the future of mankind when I need food stamps. </DIV>
<DIV> Enough said. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Ok , do I have anybodies attention
now??? </DIV>
<DIV> I have to get off the computer so my Son
can do his homework, Sorry, no time for editing or additional
info tonight. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> Dan Dimiduk </DIV>
<DIV> Shangri- La Research. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 11/13/2013 7:41:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<A href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net"
target=_blank>kchisholm@ca.inter.net</A> writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Dear RB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>OK.... as discouraging as the facts may be,
the facts are reality, and they must be dealt with to avoid future
problems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>1: Can different species be grown, that have
higher Mean Annual Increments of growth?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>2: Can the woodlots be managed
better?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>3: Can cooking practises be
changed?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>4: Would more efficient stoves help
significantly?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>5: Can other forms of fuel, or other sources
of energy, be used to take some of the pressure off the
woodlots?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>6: Would some form of "Agroforestry" be
possible, to put the land to a higher use, with
multi-cropping?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>...etc...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Most people like to do things the way they
have always been done. They can't expect different results if they
do things the same way they have always done things in the past. The
cruel facts are that if they want different results, then they will
have to find changes that are acceptable to them, OR choose to live
with the consequences of their present practises. Those seem to be
the cruel realities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Best wishes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Kevin</FONT></DIV>
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