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<span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><font face="Calibri, Slate Pro, sans-serif">You are on the right track. I can suggest the lighting cone as a major advance in speeding the ignition process and reducing emissions.
That leaves the problem of fuelling then refuelling a pellet stove (as a good start).
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<span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><font face="Calibri, Slate Pro, sans-serif">Actually there remain two issues with pellet stoves which are controllable heat and refuelling. With those two features addressed we would
have a comprehensive solution to offer at least one sector in one power range. </font></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;"><font face="Calibri, Slate Pro, sans-serif">Is there already a briquette fuelled equivalent? Maybe?</font></span></div>
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<div><b>From: </b>Richard Stanley</div>
<div><b>Sent: </b>Monday, July 7, 2014 03:29</div>
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<div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Stoves. possible next design efforts</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Mzee Teddy, et al,
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<div>I don't think the cooks –at least those in the affordable improved cookstove niche' care so much about efficiency figures as they do convenience. In-build in any of the myriad of improved stoves, a small igniter of some sort and design in a continuous
–at least tube-fed-from-hopper –feed to the wood, charcoal, pellet or briquette stove, am me thinks they'll coum pounding at your doorstep... </div>
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<div>What piezioelectric or resistance wire / thermo voltaic other ignition device would work.. </div>
<div>Hmm, two flint stones revisited ??? I'd really like to see what this group can do in that direction, now that the co and particulates issues have been pretty much thrashed out in stove design.</div>
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<div>On Jul 1, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Cookswell Jikos wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Crispin - thank you for sharing this,
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<div>Have you (or anyone else) by any chance read this article <a href="http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2014/06/thermal-efficiency-cooking-stoves.html">http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2014/06/thermal-efficiency-cooking-stoves.html</a> </div>
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<div>It a real mind turner to say the least.... I would be very interested to hear some of your thoughts on this matter. To quote one of the opening paragraphs - </div>
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<div><i>''<span style="color:rgb(68,68,68); font-family:Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size:14px; line-height:21.599998474121094px">In fact, an electric cooking stove is only half as efficient as a well-tended open fire, while a gas hob is only half
as effective as a biomass rocket stove. And even though indoor air pollution is less of an issue with modern cooking stoves, research indicates that pollution levels in western kitchens can be surprisingly high.'' </span></i></div>
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<div>The author then follows that article up with this one - <a href="http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2014/07/cooking-pot-insulation-key-to-sustainable-cooking.html">http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2014/07/cooking-pot-insulation-key-to-sustainable-cooking.html</a></div>
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<div>What do you think? I think I need to double my forestry efforts. <br>
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<div class="x_gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Dear Testers<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Please see the paper “Key differences of performance test protocols for household biomass cookstoves” by Zhang, Y
<i>et al</i> at<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><a href="http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6827753&queryText%3DKey+differences" target="_blank">http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6827753&queryText%3DKey+differences</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Abstract<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">“In this study, different ways of testing household biomass cooking stoves are compared and analyzed. The differences between test methods relate to the stove operation and data analysis methods, the fueling procedure, the end point selection,
the choice of metrics and others factors. The influences of these differences were analyzed by using an induction heater. The results show the use of a pot lid or not, and the selection of the end point of the test have the greatest influence on the rated
performance. Consequently test results provided by laboratories using different test methods will place the same stove-plus-fuel combination on significantly different performance ‘tiers’. Also the results show some metrics in popular tests should be reviewed.
Some recommendations are provided for improving the accuracy and repeatability of test procedures and select metrics are defined for greater clarity.”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">The comment “some metrics in popular tests should be reviewed” is a polite way of saying they are not valid. This is a major issue when making performance comparisons. If the metric itself is not valid then the comparisons of it between
products is not meaningful. One cannot trade money or products on the result.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">From the conclusions:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<u></u><span lang="EN-US"><span>b)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang="EN-US">Some metrics still need to be revisited, even if they are generally agreed within the “stove enthusiast” community. National or international compulsory regulation of stove products as envisaged by ISO TC 285 must
be based on credible science. The point of testing is to provide useful information. Selected indicators that meet specific needs must first be agreed and validated, and then a test method or methods developed to collect the information necessary to deliver
product ratings that can be widely compared and accepted by the public.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">The paper is accessible free through academic services. <u>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Regards<span class="x_HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Crispin<u></u><u></u></p>
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