<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div>Kevin,Tom, Ronal and all,</div><div>I live part of the year on a small island in The Philippine Islands. On that island, about half of the people eat and live hand to mouth. Many do not know what they will be eating tomorrow. A great many live in nipa huts and on land that is squatted. I dare not let my chickens run around or they will not come back at dusk. I have found that even for low paying jobs, there are many willing to work just for something to put with their rice. I am retired military, retired VA, retired on SS and my wife also gets SS, so we do very well on that island. We have many come to us for help and many loans will never be repaid. We have learned to try to help in a small way and keep on
moving. My wife and I are both medical missionaries. We just returned from the mission field and we plan to return in early January. On our island, a few dollars a day is one heck of a wage. We hire people and at noon they are already asking for their pay so their wives can go to the market and get ulum, or something to go with their rice. Many workers try to stretch the days of work out as long as possible. Work is slow, and many try to work with hand tools and avoid power tools as they need the days work and power tools are counter productive.</div><div>JJ++</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size:
12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, July 11, 2014 3:11 PM, Kevin <kchisholm@ca.inter.net> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8017153330"><style></style><div>
<div><font size="4" face="Calibri">Dear Ron</font></div>
<div><font size="4" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4" face="Calibri">While the Video was politically slanted to
influence Immigration Policy within the USA, the facts of the matter are that
there are a lot of poor people in the world, who are struggling to keep
alive. </font></div>
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<div><font size="4" face="Calibri">My posting is not about the Tea Party, Racism,
Propaganda, Politics, or Roy Beck. My posting was about the facts that he
presents in a dramatic and understandable manner. I feel that these cruel and
sad facts are very important, and that their consequences can be of great
importance to the nature and extent of increased use of biochar, and improved
stoves, in the "Bottom of the Pyramid Market."</font></div>
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<div><font size="4" face="Calibri">Biochar will rise or fall on its own merits.
Nothing bad I can say against Biochar will retard its general acceptance, if its
fundamentals are good. Your Ad Hominum attacks are futile. They won't sell
a pound of biochar. If you actually want to expand the use of biochar into the
"Bottom of the Pyramid Market", all you have to do is address the issues I
raised below in my first point:</font></div>
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</font><div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri">1: ===> What can biochar do for these people, and what would it
have to cost, to be affordable to them?</font></div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"> </div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;">Would you not agree that addressing the above
issues is a good place to start?</div>
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<div style="line-height: 1.22em;">Best wishes,</div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"> </div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;">Kevin</div></div>
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<div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="rongretlarson@comcast.net" href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">Ronal W. Larson</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com" href="mailto:biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com">Biochar-Policy</a> ; <a title="kchisholm@ca.inter.net" href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">Kevin
Chisholm</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">Discussion of biomass</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 11, 2014 11:27
AM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt/normal arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [biochar-policy] World
Population and Daily Income</div>
<div><br clear="none"></div>Kevin cc List
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<div><span style="white-space: pre;" class="yiv8017153330Apple-tab-span"></span>I am not going
to respond. There is close to zero connection between US immigration
policy and your questions. I take your questions to be an excuse to
bring in a non-germane video by a master propaganda artist.</div>
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<div><span style="white-space: pre;" class="yiv8017153330Apple-tab-span"></span>I googled for
Roy Beck and didn’t like what I saw. Others should look at what is said
by an organization I admire (<a href="http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2009/spring/lie-down-with-dogs" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2009/spring/lie-down-with-dogs</a>)
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<div>Beck is listed as a mentor for my former Congressman, Tom Tancredo
- who is as racist as they come (just came in second in the Colorado
Republican Gubernatorial race). I can’t believe that Beck has any
interest in increasing US Foreign Aid for topics like biochar and char-making
stoves. The American people (even R’s) are overwhelmingly for the
immigration reform bill already passed by the US Senate. It is held up
by the Teaparty R’s - for what seems to me to be rcist reasons. Why US
immigration policy is important to you, a Canadian, is unclear. I am not
for increasing immigration; I am for passing this reform legislation -
opposed by Tancredo, the Tea Party and Beck</div>
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<div><span style="white-space: pre;" class="yiv8017153330Apple-tab-span"></span> In any
case, this list broke off from the stoves list - which is where your second
question belongs, as I’m sure you know.</div>
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<div><span style="white-space: pre;" class="yiv8017153330Apple-tab-span"></span>There is
plenty on this list archives to answer your first question. You have
continually knocked everything possible about biochar - and this seems in the
same vein, although veiled.</div>
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<div>Ron</div>
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<div>On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:38 AM, 'Kevin' <a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</a>
[biochar-policy] <<a href="mailto:biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com">biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com</a>>
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<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri">This video Clip</font></div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri"><a style="line-height: 1.22em;" href="http://www.youtube.com/embed/LPjzfGChGlE" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/embed/LPjzfGChGlE</a></font></div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri">is about US Immigration Policy.</font></div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri">World population is about 7.2 billion people (<span class="yiv8017153330Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="line-height: 1.22em;" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population</a> )</font></div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri">The Video Clip states that about 3 billion people earn an
average of LESS than $2 per day. Expressed in different terms, 41.6% of the
World Population earns less than $2 per day.</font></div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri">This brings up 2 interesting questions:</font></div>
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<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri">1: ===> What can biochar do for these people, and what would
it have to cost, to be affordable to them?</font></div>
<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri">2: ===> What kind of stoves do these people really
need, and how much must they be delivered for, in order for them to be a
sensible investment?</font></div>
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<div style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font style="line-height: 1.22em;" size="4" face="Calibri">Kevin</font></div>
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