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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kevin,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Immigration politics are for discussion on other lists but it is good to highlight this need and the biochar potential. The answers of course vary. As you well know a wide variety of solutions have been demonstrated and many are in production. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>These questions have been topics on the stoves and gasification lists for more than 18 years and on the biochar list for the last eight years. In about 1996 Ron Larson was working with others on ceramic stoves that could also make charcoal. He brought us to focus on biochar stoves in about 2006. A great example of a biochar stove is the Estufa Finca that is being disseminated on coffee plantations in Costa Rica bySeachar.org. As with other stoves it is more than just the technology but the systems for providing or making the stove and continuous support and application of the char that makes the biochar stove work. In some cases it makes more sense to make char in a community kiln. Using the char for improving soil fertility for local food has been amply demonstrated at the individual stove level and the farm and community scales by Seachar, by Sai Bhaskar Reddy in India and many others. Microgasification with the TLUD a natural char maker and will be the topic of the upcoming Stoves Camp at Aprovecho in Oregon. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As Ron has stated there are many sources. Many have been discussed on these lists. For those who are seriously interested see: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Estufa Finca <a href="http://www.seachar.org">www.seachar.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Geo <a href="http://www.e-geo.org/">http://www.e-geo.org/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>TLUD <a href="http://www.drtlud.com/">http://www.drtlud.com/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Microgasification </span><a href="http://bit.ly/1kLHuDs">http://bit.ly/1kLHuDs</a> <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tom <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronal W. Larson<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 11, 2014 7:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> Biochar-Policy; Kevin Chisholm<br><b>Cc:</b> Discussion of biomass<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] [biochar-policy] World Population and Daily Income<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Kevin cc List<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>I am not going to respond. There is close to zero connection between US immigration policy and your questions. I take your questions to be an excuse to bring in a non-germane video by a master propaganda artist.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>I googled for Roy Beck and didn’t like what I saw. Others should look at what is said by an organization I admire (<a href="http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2009/spring/lie-down-with-dogs">http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2009/spring/lie-down-with-dogs</a>) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Beck is listed as a mentor for my former Congressman, Tom Tancredo - who is as racist as they come (just came in second in the Colorado Republican Gubernatorial race). I can’t believe that Beck has any interest in increasing US Foreign Aid for topics like biochar and char-making stoves. The American people (even R’s) are overwhelmingly for the immigration reform bill already passed by the US Senate. It is held up by the Teaparty R’s - for what seems to me to be rcist reasons. Why US immigration policy is important to you, a Canadian, is unclear. I am not for increasing immigration; I am for passing this reform legislation - opposed by Tancredo, the Tea Party and Beck<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span> In any case, this list broke off from the stoves list - which is where your second question belongs, as I’m sure you know.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>There is plenty on this list archives to answer your first question. You have continually knocked everything possible about biochar - and this seems in the same vein, although veiled.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:38 AM, 'Kevin' <a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</a> [biochar-policy] <<a href="mailto:biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com">biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div id=ygrp-mlmsg><div id=ygrp-msg><div id=ygrp-text><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This video Clip</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.youtube.com/embed/LPjzfGChGlE">http://www.youtube.com/embed/LPjzfGChGlE</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>is about US Immigration Policy.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>World population is about 7.2 billion people (<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population</a> )</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The Video Clip states that about 3 billion people earn an average of LESS than $2 per day. Expressed in different terms, 41.6% of the World Population earns less than $2 per day.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>This brings up 2 interesting questions:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1: ===> What can biochar do for these people, and what would it have to cost, to be affordable to them?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>2: ===> What kind of stoves do these people really need, and how much must they be delivered for, in order for them to be a sensible investment?</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kevin</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:white'>__._,_.___<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-top:7.5pt' id=fromDMARC><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><hr size=3 width="100%" noshade style='color:#E3E3E3' align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Posted by: "Kevin" <<a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;line-height:14.65pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><hr size=3 width="100%" noshade style='color:#E3E3E3' align=center></span></div></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 style='font-size:inherit'><tr><td style='padding:5.25pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:14.65pt'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#2D50FD'><a 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