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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>My apologies for an error in my previous
posting... I wrongly posted the name "Cecil Clarke", when it should have been
"Cecil E. Cook, Jr."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>Following is a corrective note that much better
describes Cecil's inputs:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>" Dear Kevin
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<DIV>Just for the record (and thanks for recognising his work which is little
recognized outside the World Bank and GIZ) it is Cecil E Cook Jr. He is an
American who studied at Antioch College and Harvard. </DIV>
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<DIV>Also for the record he has been a significant force in bring to stove
development and acceptability evaluation the same sort of realism that the
industrial designers brought. </DIV>
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<DIV>In the latter category are Biolite, Arivi, Oorja, Parasafe, Philips fan
stove, Bosch vegetable oil stove and others of course. </DIV>
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<DIV>While barnstormers and garage mechanics sometime create entirely new
inventions the majority of successes are the result of the work of people who
are literally working in the relevant field. For pretty obvious reasons. </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">I
didn't see the video and am unlikely to but I can tell from the tone of the
responses it is unlikely to impact stove development or
implementation. </DIV>
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<DIV
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" </DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net [biochar-policy]">'Kevin'
kchisholm@ca.inter.net [biochar-policy]</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=tmiles@trmiles.com
href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">Tom Miles</A> ; <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves'</A> ; <A title=biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com">'Biochar-Policy'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 13, 2014 4:30 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] [biochar-policy]
World Population and Daily Income</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4 face=Calibri>Dear Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=tmiles@trmiles.com href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com">Tom Miles</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves'</A> ; <A title=biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com">'Biochar-Policy'</A> ; <A
title=kchisholm@ca.inter.net href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">'Kevin
Chisholm'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 11, 2014 1:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Stoves] [biochar-policy]
World Population and Daily Income</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Kevin,<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Immigration
politics are for discussion on other lists but it is good to highlight this
need and the biochar potential. The answers of course vary. As you well know
a wide variety of solutions have been demonstrated and many are in
production. </SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
size=4># Yes, many clever and practical solutions have indeed been
developed, and have had excellent acceptance.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
size=4># Another very interesting fact put forward in the video, is that
there are a further 2.6 billion people earning between $2/day and the
average Mexican wage. There thus seem to be three fundamental markets
shaping up:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
size=4>1: The "Wealthy Market: 1.6 Billion People (22% of World
Population)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
size=4>2: The "Middle Market", with incomes between average Mexican and $2
per day: 2.6 billion (36% of World Population)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
size=4>3: The "Low End Market", with incomes less than $2 per day: 3
Billion (42% of World Population)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
size=4># I don't know how to put these Markets on a common footing,
specifically, if the "Low End Market" has an income of $2 per capita per
day, (PCPD), what is the PCPD income for the "Middle" and "Wealthy" Markets?
Perhaps this can be derived from data available through the World Factbook,
</FONT><A
href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mx.html"><FONT
size=4>https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mx.html</FONT></A></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">These
questions have been topics on the stoves and gasification lists for more
than 18 years and on the biochar list for the last eight years. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
size=4># It was not my intent to suggest that "I have discovered that there
are poor people in the World."</FONT> <FONT size=4>Rather, I was
impressed with the vividness of Beck's demonstration, and felt it would be
helpful to the Stoves and Biochar Lists to perhaps better appreciate where
they have the potential to make the greatest impact. The "Middle" and "Low
End" markets have about 4 times the population of the "Wealthy Market", and
are growing more rapidly.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">In about
1996 Ron Larson was working with others on ceramic stoves that could also
make charcoal. He brought us to focus on biochar stoves in about 2006. A
great example of a biochar stove is the Estufa Finca that is being
disseminated on coffee plantations in Costa Rica bySeachar.org. As with
other stoves it is more than just the technology but the systems for
providing or making the stove and continuous support and application of the
char that makes the biochar stove work. In some cases it makes more sense to
make char in a community kiln. Using the char for improving soil fertility
for local food has been amply demonstrated at the individual stove level and
the farm and community scales by Seachar, by Sai Bhaskar Reddy in India and
many others. Microgasification with the TLUD a natural char maker and will
be the topic of the upcoming Stoves Camp at Aprovecho in Oregon.
<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">As Ron has
stated there are many sources. Many have been discussed on these lists. For
those who are seriously interested see: <O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Estufa
Finca <A href="http://www.seachar.org">www.seachar.org</A><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Geo
<A href="http://www.e-geo.org/">http://www.e-geo.org/</A>
<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">TLUD
<A href="http://www.drtlud.com/">http://www.drtlud.com/</A>
<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Microgasification </SPAN><A
href="http://bit.ly/1kLHuDs">http://bit.ly/1kLHuDs</A> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#1f497d face=Calibri></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Calibri><FONT color=#1f497d size=4># Others
who have made significant contributions to Stove and Biochar in the Middle
and Low End Markets would include AD Karve, Crispin Pemberton-Piggot, Cecil
Clarke, and Paul Oliver. </FONT></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O><FONT
color=#000000 size=4></FONT></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O><FONT
color=#000000 size=4># All the above are to be commended for their good
work, and others who may have missed the significance of the 2nd and
3rd Markets are encouraged to expand their efforts into them, for maximum
positive impact of their contributions.</FONT></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O><FONT
color=#000000 size=4></FONT></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O><FONT
color=#000000 size=4>Best wishes,</FONT></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O><FONT
color=#000000 size=4></FONT></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O><FONT
color=#000000 size=4>Kevin</FONT></O></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Tom
<O></O></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Stoves
[mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ronal
W. Larson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 11, 2014 7:28 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
Biochar-Policy; Kevin Chisholm<BR><B>Cc:</B> Discussion of
biomass<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Stoves] [biochar-policy] World Population
and Daily Income<O></O></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Kevin cc List<O></O></P>
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</SPAN>I am not going to respond. There is close to zero connection
between US immigration policy and your questions. I take your
questions to be an excuse to bring in a non-germane video by a master
propaganda artist.<O></O></P></DIV>
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</SPAN>I googled for Roy Beck and didn’t like what I saw. Others
should look at what is said by an organization I admire (<A
href="http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2009/spring/lie-down-with-dogs">http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2009/spring/lie-down-with-dogs</A>)
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<P class=MsoNormal>Beck is listed as a mentor for my former Congressman,
Tom Tancredo - who is as racist as they come (just came in second in
the Colorado Republican Gubernatorial race). I can’t believe that Beck
has any interest in increasing US Foreign Aid for topics like biochar and
char-making stoves. The American people (even R’s) are overwhelmingly
for the immigration reform bill already passed by the US Senate. It is
held up by the Teaparty R’s - for what seems to me to be rcist reasons.
Why US immigration policy is important to you, a Canadian, is unclear.
I am not for increasing immigration; I am for passing this
reform legislation - opposed by Tancredo, the Tea Party and
Beck<O></O></P></DIV>
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</SPAN> In any case, this list broke off from the stoves list - which
is where your second question belongs, as I’m sure you
know.<O></O></P></DIV>
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</SPAN>There is plenty on this list archives to answer your first question.
You have continually knocked everything possible about biochar - and
this seems in the same vein, although veiled.<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Ron<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:38 AM, 'Kevin' <A
href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</A>
[biochar-policy] <<A
href="mailto:biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com">biochar-policy@yahoogroups.com</A>>
wrote:<O></O></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">is about US Immigration Policy.</SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">World population is about 7.2 billion people
(<SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population</A> )</SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">The Video Clip states that about 3 billion people
earn an average of LESS than $2 per day. Expressed in different terms, 41.6%
of the World Population earns less than $2 per day.</SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">This brings up 2 interesting
questions:</SPAN><SPAN
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">1: ===> What can biochar do for these people,
and what would it have to cost, to be affordable to them?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><O></O></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">2: ===> What kind of stoves do these
people really need, and how much must they be delivered for, in order for
them to be a sensible investment?</SPAN><SPAN
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