<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div>Many people in my area of the Philippine Island make less than $2 a day. If I were to put up a sign stating that I have jobs for $2 a day I would have a line at my gate wanting to work. I am not sure how long or how hard they would work but I am sure I would have a line. I am interested in how much it would cost to get a prototype of a small stove that could use rice hulls that local people could use. I have started several self help nutrition programs in my area and hope to add these small almost free fuel stoves to the SHNPs. People in our area are learning that cooking as a group is cheaper than cooking as just four or five people in their own home.</div><div>Blessings,</div><div>JJ++ </div> <div
class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Sunday, July 13, 2014 2:35 AM, Anand Karve <adkarve@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv6145101691"><div><div>Dear Crispin,</div>
<div>I have now retired from my job as head of Appropriate Rural Technology Institute, but three years ago, while I still served this Institute, US$300 was what I used to get as my monthly salary. I paid income tax on this income and belonged therefore to the richest 2% in the country. That is why I said that US$10 per day per family was quite a good income. <br clear="none">
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<div>A.D.Karve<br clear="none"></div>
<div class="yiv6145101691gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div style='width: 100%; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, "Slate Pro", sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);'>Dear AD</div>
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<div style='width: 100%; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, "Slate Pro", sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);'>Cecil is not here to comment so I will report that the value the average rural family gets from the environment is much more than the cash income of one or two dollars a day. </div>
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<div style='width: 100%; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, "Slate Pro", sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);'>From this flow two things: moving a rural family to an urban conurbation at the same salary, or even double, deepens their poverty; and the cost of stabilising a family in a city is 5 times the cost of stabilising them in a rural area. </div>
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<div style='width: 100%; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, "Slate Pro", sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);'> Stabilising, he says, means a house, job, water, roads, school, health care and fuel. </div>
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<div style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, "Slate Pro", sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);'>The reduction of 'poverty' to a metric of cash income can hide massive differences in real world living standard. </div>
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<div style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, "Slate Pro", sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);'>So far I haven't seen a metric that is suitable for measuring 'living standard'. </div>
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<div style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, "Slate Pro", sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);'>Regards </div>
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<div><b>From: </b>Anand Karve</div>
<div><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:43</div>
<div><b>To: </b>Kevin; Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</div>
<div><b>Reply To: </b>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</div>
<div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] World Population and Daily Income</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table>
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<div>Dear Stovers,<br clear="none">US$2 per day per person means about US$10 per family of 5. That is<br clear="none">good income in any developing country.<br clear="none">Yours<br clear="none">A.D.Karve<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Kevin <<a href="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:kchisholm@ca.inter.net">kchisholm@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
> This video Clip<br clear="none">> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/embed/LPjzfGChGlE" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/embed/LPjzfGChGlE</a><br clear="none">> is about US Immigration Policy.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> World population is about 7.2 billion people (<br clear="none">
> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population</a> )<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> The Video Clip states that about 3 billion people earn an average of LESS<br clear="none">
> than $2 per day. Expressed in different terms, 41.6% of the World Population<br clear="none">> earns less than $2 per day.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> This brings up 2 interesting questions:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> 1: ===> What can biochar do for these people, and what would it have to<br clear="none">
> cost, to be affordable to them?<br clear="none">> 2: ===> What kind of stoves do these people really need, and how much must<br clear="none">> they be delivered for, in order for them to be a sensible investment?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Kevin<br clear="none">
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