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font-size: 12pt;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> On Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:39 AM, Ranyee Chiang <rchiang@cleancookstoves.org> wrote:<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <br class="" style=""><br class="" style=""> <div class="" style=""><div id="yiv1832190037" class="" style="">
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;" class="">While testing for safety is distinct from incidence of burns, we do hope to see more organizations evaluating stove safety, including through third-party testing.
For people who already have results, we encourage people to share some of the direct data on stove temperatures, tipping potential, etc. -
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://catalog.cleancookstoves.org/" class="" style="">http://catalog.cleancookstoves.org/</a> There are already some results on safety, but it’s an area that we can continue to build.</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;" class="">If anyone would like to learn more about safety testing:
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http://www.cleancookstoves.org/our-work/standards-and-testing/learn-about-testing-protocols/</a></span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;" class="">Best regards,</span></div>
<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;" class="">Ranyee</span></div>
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<b class="" style="">Sent:</b> Thursday, September 04, 2014 1:21 PM<br class="" style="">
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<b class="" style="">Cc:</b> Radha Muthiah; ajaypillarisetti@gmail.com; krksmith@berkeley.edu; Ranyee Chiang<br class="" style="">
<b class="" style="">Subject:</b> burns health impact?</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="color:black;" class="">the Maasai stove has cut down on burns. Hard to document. it is cool enough to touch except for the cooking top itself. and is small, but massive and immovable and firmly on
a brick foundation and attached to a brick chimney. Kids sit right next to it safely while their mothers cook. all complaints of burns have ended.</span></div>
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From: Erin Rasmussen <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:erin@trmiles.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:erin@trmiles.com" class="" style="">erin@trmiles.com</a>><br class="" style="">
To: 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" class="" style="">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br class="" style="">
Cc: 'Radha Muthiah' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rmuthiah@cleancookstoves.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:rmuthiah@cleancookstoves.org" class="" style="">rmuthiah@cleancookstoves.org</a>>; 'Ajay Pillarisetti' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ajaypillarisetti@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ajaypillarisetti@gmail.com" class="" style="">ajaypillarisetti@gmail.com</a>>; 'Kirk R. Smith' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:krksmith@berkeley.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:krksmith@berkeley.edu" class="" style="">krksmith@berkeley.edu</a>>;
'Ranyee Chiang' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rchiang@cleancookstoves.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:rchiang@cleancookstoves.org" class="" style="">rchiang@cleancookstoves.org</a>><br class="" style="">
Sent: Thu, Sep 4, 2014 1:14 pm<br class="" style="">
Subject: Re: [Stoves] FW: health impact?</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" class="">It's surprising to me that there is no calculation of overall stove safety in these studies of health benefits. Reducing emissions is important, but preventing
burns and fires is also critically important to stove use and performance. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class=""></span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;" class="">I wonder if there is a way to adjust our metrics to account for some of the 'basics': building stoves with safety features; preventing skirt fires; preventing scalding
and severe burns to arms and legs and fingers and toes (and faces). Disfigurement may be fatal in some areas, but even when it's not it's bound to have non-trivial life-long impacts.
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<div class="" style=""><b class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class=""> Stoves [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org?" target="_blank" href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org?" class="" style="">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
<b class="" style="">On Behalf Of </b>Sumi Mehta<br class="" style="">
<b class="" style="">Sent:</b> Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:15 AM<br class="" style="">
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<b class="" style="">Cc:</b> Radha Muthiah; Ajay Pillarisetti; Ranyee Chiang; Kirk R. Smith<br class="" style="">
<b class="" style="">Subject:</b> [Stoves] FW: health impact?</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">Thanks, Marc-Antoine, for your keen interest in ensuring the health benefits of adopting clean cooking technologies. As you can imagine, this is of very high
priority here at the Alliance. Our aim is to ensure the promotion of cleaner cooking technologies, i.e. the cleanest possible technologies accessible and available for different customer segments. In addition, since the long term goal is universal adoption
of truly ‘clean’ cooking, we are committed and working with partners to ensure that the cleanest possible technologies are developed for all fuels currently in use.
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We are also committed to ensuring that people can shift to cleaner and cleaner technologies and fuels, by working with a wide range of our partners to facilitate increased access and affordability.
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As you are aware, there is even a wide variability of performance associated with the range of rocket stoves available. Indeed, HAPIT offers different performance scenarios to reflect the range of options in the market (as well as aspirational performance),
and the Alliance’s work will strive to cover the range of options available. In any case, I will leave it to Kirk and his team to reply about the HAPIT-specific questions in more detail....
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">From: Marc-Antoine Pare <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:marcpare0@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:marcpare0@gmail.com" class="" style="">marcpare0@gmail.com</a>></span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">A big confession: having tinkered with stoves for years, I never actually looked into the numbers of stove health impacts. I'm trying to fix that, and I hope you
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">I mean, yes, I can wave my hands about PM and CO and four million deaths!</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">But how many deaths (or DALYs) do you avert per stove? Or per 10,000 stoves? Or per 100,000,000?</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">I thought it would be an easy question to answer, but it's turning out to be quite tricky to even ballpark.</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">Here is one interesting source. This is from the very recent webinar on Kirk Smith's HAPIT tool.
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">This report considers 25,000 households.</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">If you provide all of those households a rocket stove, you save only 0.75 lives per year.</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">If you take the GACC's target 100,000,000 households, that would mean</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">0.75/25000*100000000 = 3,000 lives saved worldwide annually.</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">What am I missing there? This seems so small.</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">Some speculation:</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">Kirk Smith mentions in the HAPIT webinar that even a small amount of PM2.5 is still harmful. Perhaps biomass stoves just don't get the number low enough?</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">I think this would fit with the chart in the linked PDF that shows that stoves only reduce deaths by <5% for indoor air pollution. A few times in the HAPIT webinar,
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">This also seems to agree with something I found in Christian L'Orange's dissertation:</span></div>
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<div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;" class="">Also, I would be very interested to read more good papers on health impacts for stoves. It is all really quite interesting work. I feel bad that I didn't look at
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