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Agreed. Problem is lack of good research that documents these
benefits sufficiently to do calculations on a large scale. If you
have local information, however, this could easily be
incorporated./k<br><br>
At 10:13 AM 9/4/2014, Erin Rasmussen wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">It's surprising to me that there
is no calculation of overall stove safety in these studies of health
benefits. Reducing emissions is important, but preventing burns and
fires is also critically important to stove use and performance.
<br>
<br>
I wonder if there is a way to adjust our metrics to account for some of
the 'basics': building stoves with safety features; preventing skirt
fires; preventing scalding and severe burns to arms and legs and fingers
and toes (and faces). Disfigurement may be fatal in some areas, but
even when it's not it's bound to have non-trivial life-long
impacts. <br>
<br>
Erin Rasmussen<br>
erin@trmiles.com <br>
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<b>From:</b> Stoves
[<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Sumi Mehta<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> RX¡ˆúH adha Muthiah; Ajay Pillarisetti; Ranyee Chiang; Kirk R.
Smith<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Stoves] FW: health impact?<br>
<br>
Thanks, Marc-Antoine, for your keen interest in ensuring the health
benefits of adopting clean cooking technologies. As you can
imagine, this is of very high priority here at the Alliance. Our
aim is to ensure the promotion of cleaner cooking technologies, i.e. the
cleanest possible technologies accessible and available for different
customer segments. In addition, since the long term goal is
universal adoption of truly ‘clean’ cooking, we are committed and working
with partners to ensure that the cleanest possible technologies are
developed for all fuels currently in use. <br>
We are also committed to ensuring that people can shift to cleaner and
cleaner technologies and fuels, by working with a wide range of our
partners to facilitate increased access and affordability. <br>
<br>
As you are aware, there is even a wide variability of performance
associated with the range of rocket stoves available. Indeed, HAPIT
offers different performance scenarios to reflect the range of
options in the market (as well as aspirational performance), and the
Alliance’s work will strive to cover the range of options
available. In any case, I will leave it to Kirk and his team to
reply about the HAPIT-specific questions in more detail....
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Sumi<br>
<br>
Sumi Mehta, MPH, PhD<br>
Director of Research and Evaluation<br>
1750 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Suite 300<br>
Washington DC 20006<br>
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<dd>From: Marc-Antoine Pare
<<a href="mailto:marcpare0@gmail.com">marcpare0@gmail.com</a>><br>
<dd>Date: September 3, 2014, 2:57:50 AM EDT<br>
<dd>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
<<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">
stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
<dd>Subject: [Stoves] health impact?<br>
<dd>Reply-To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
<<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">
stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
<dd>Hi everyone,<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>A big confession: having tinkered with stoves for years, I never
actually looked into the numbers of stove health impacts. I'm trying to
fix that, and I hope you can help!<br><br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I mean, yes, I can wave my hands about PM and CO and four million
deaths!<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>But how many deaths (or DALYs) do you avert per stove? Or per 10,000
stoves? Or per 100,000,000?<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I thought it would be an easy question to answer, but it's turning
out to be quite tricky to even ballpark.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Here is one interesting source. This is from the very recent webinar
on Kirk Smith's HAPIT tool. <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>
<a href="http://www.cleancookstoves.org/resources_files/hapit-results-rwanda.pdf">
http://www.cleancookstoves.org/resources_files/hapit-results-rwanda.pdf</a>
<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>This report considers 25,000 households.<br>
<dd>If you provide all of those households a rocket stove, you save only
0.75 lives per year.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>If you take the GACC's target 100,000,000 households, that would
mean<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>0.75/25000*100000000 = 3,000 lives saved worldwide annually.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>What am I missing there? This seems so small.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Some speculation:<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Kirk Smith mentions in the HAPIT webinar that even a small amount of
PM2.5 is still harmful. Perhaps biomass stoves just don't get the number
low enough?<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I think this would fit with the chart in the linked PDF that shows
that stoves only reduce deaths by <5% for indoor air pollution. A few
times in the HAPIT webinar, they mention "a lot of lives are still
left on the table."<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>This also seems to agree with something I found in Christian
L'Orange's dissertation:<br>
<dd>
<a href="http://digitool.library.colostate.edu/exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/L2V4bGlicmlzL2R0bC9kM18xL2FwYWNoZV9tZWRpYS8yNDYyOTQ=.pdf">
http://digitool.library.colostate.edu///exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/L2V4bGlicmlzL2R0bC9kM18xL2FwYWNoZV9tZWRpYS8yNDYyOTQ=.pdf</a>
<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Figure 33 shows that Envirofit G3300 stoves only have a 3% (or so)
impact on "Adjusted Relative Risk" (of death)<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Please do not worry about hurting my feelings in correcting these
numbers. Am I thinking about this the wrong way around? Have I punched
the numbers in incorrectly? <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Also, I would be very interested to read more good papers on health
impacts for sX¡ˆúH toves. It is all really quite interesting work. I feel
bad that I didn't look at it sooner.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Best,<br>
<dd>Marc Paré<br>
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