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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear Erin, safety is one of my priorities when designing stoves, I send some pictures of the stove models sell more and one of the reasons for our success in sales is safety. and also let me let you all know that Paul Anderson is comming to El Salvador next week to attend a Foro about the use of wood in our countri, he will have a speach obout micro gasification, and will present a charcoal maker divice.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>see pictures of my stove with safety future. the yellow mesh and the galvanized sheet is to protec from burn and radiation while people use the stove. the combustion chamber is a rocket that I test last year in Guatemala with some peoplo of Aprovecho. I have one round stove 50 cm diameter and another one you can see in this pictures 50 x 70 cm with burners on top of the plate.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Best regard <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Gus<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:13 AM, Erin Rasmussen <erin@trmiles.com> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div id=yiv6579142287><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It's surprising to me that there is no calculation of overall stove safety in these studies of health benefits. Reducing emissions is important, but preventing burns and fires is also critically important to stove use and performance. </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I wonder if there is a way to adjust our metrics to account for some of the 'basics': building stoves with safety features; preventing skirt fires; preventing scalding and severe burns to arms and legs and fingers and toes (and faces). Disfigurement may be fatal in some areas, but even when it's not it's bound to have non-trivial life-long impacts. </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Erin Rasmussen</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>erin@trmiles.com </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sumi Mehta<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:15 AM<br><b>To:</b> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br><b>Cc:</b> Radha Muthiah; Ajay Pillarisetti; Ranyee Chiang; Kirk R. Smith<br><b>Subject:</b> [Stoves] FW: health impact?</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks, Marc-Antoine, for your keen interest in ensuring the health benefits of adopting clean cooking technologies. As you can imagine, this is of very high priority here at the Alliance. Our aim is to ensure the promotion of cleaner cooking technologies, i.e. the cleanest possible technologies accessible and available for different customer segments. In addition, since the long term goal is universal adoption of truly ‘clean’ cooking, we are committed and working with partners to ensure that the cleanest possible technologies are developed for all fuels currently in use. <br>We are also committed to ensuring that people can shift to cleaner and cleaner technologies and fuels, by working with a wide range of our partners to facilitate increased access and affordability. <br> <br>As you are aware, there is even a wide variability of performance associated with the range of rocket stoves available. Indeed, HAPIT offers different performance scenarios to reflect the range of options in the market (as well as aspirational performance), and the Alliance’s work will strive to cover the range of options available. In any case, I will leave it to Kirk and his team to reply about the HAPIT-specific questions in more detail.... <br> <br></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sumi</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sumi Mehta, MPH, PhD<br>Director of Research and Evaluation<br>1750 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Suite 300<br>Washington DC 20006<br>tel: +1 202-787-5642 <br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:smehta@cleancookstoves.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0563C1'>smehta@cleancookstoves.org</span></a><br><a href="http://www.cleancookstoves.org/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0563C1'>www.cleancookstoves.org</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: Marc-Antoine Pare <<a href="mailto:marcpare0@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcpare0@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Date: September 3, 2014, 2:57:50 AM EDT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject: [Stoves] health impact?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Reply-To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank"> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>A big confession: having tinkered with stoves for years, I never actually looked into the numbers of stove health impacts. I'm trying to fix that, and I hope you can help!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I mean, yes, I can wave my hands about PM and CO and four million deaths!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>But how many deaths (or DALYs) do you avert per stove? Or per 10,000 stoves? Or per 100,000,000?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I thought it would be an easy question to answer, but it's turning out to be quite tricky to even ballpark.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Here is one interesting source. This is from the very recent webinar on Kirk Smith's HAPIT tool. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://www.cleancookstoves.org/resources_files/hapit-results-rwanda.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cleancookstoves.org/resources_files/hapit-results-rwanda.pdf</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>This report considers 25,000 households.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>If you provide all of those households a rocket stove, you save only 0.75 lives per year.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>If you take the GACC's target 100,000,000 households, that would mean<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>0.75/25000*100000000 = 3,000 lives saved worldwide annually.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>What am I missing there? This seems so small.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Some speculation:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Kirk Smith mentions in the HAPIT webinar that even a small amount of PM2.5 is still harmful. Perhaps biomass stoves just don't get the number low enough?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I think this would fit with the chart in the linked PDF that shows that stoves only reduce deaths by <5% for indoor air pollution. A few times in the HAPIT webinar, they mention "a lot of lives are still left on the table."<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>This also seems to agree with something I found in Christian L'Orange's dissertation:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://digitool.library.colostate.edu/exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/L2V4bGlicmlzL2R0bC9kM18xL2FwYWNoZV9tZWRpYS8yNDYyOTQ=.pdf" target="_blank">http://digitool.library.colostate.edu///exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/L2V4bGlicmlzL2R0bC9kM18xL2FwYWNoZV9tZWRpYS8yNDYyOTQ=.pdf</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Figure 33 shows that Envirofit G3300 stoves only have a 3% (or so) impact on "Adjusted Relative Risk" (of death)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Please do not worry about hurting my feelings in correcting these numbers. Am I thinking about this the wrong way around? Have I punched the numbers in incorrectly? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Also, I would be very interested to read more good papers on health impacts for stoves. It is all really quite interesting work. I feel bad that I didn't look at it sooner.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Marc Paré<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Stoves mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>