<div dir="ltr">Dear Richard, Gus and Michael et al. <div><br></div><div>Thank you for your positive responses to the idea of helping your biomass cookstove customers invest in a future source of woodfuel. We have been promoting the distribution of a free packet of multi-use tree seeds with each of our products sold. </div><div>We have found that while of course not everyone understands or is willing or able to invest in some type of forestry - many many of our customers appreciate the fact that when receiving a packet of tree seeds for them to grow a future source of charcoal and firewood (and timber etc) - it is a light bulb moment and as one person told me..''its like getting a free oil well when you buy a car.... but only much greener''. </div><div>I think that providing allied forestry inputs and information is a very easy and affordable CSR project that most reputable stove makers can and should be involved in. </div><div>I also find it very interesting to think about, when planting long to mature tree species, where will you and your stove project/business be in 20+ years - what changes in your markets, stove sizes, fuel types, foods and costs of alternative fuels can you imagine will be in play by then.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is a sample of the tree seed packets we distribute - this particular one is a highland farmers mix, a timber tree (Meru Oak) a fodder and fuel tree (lucena) and a fuel and forage tree (acacia). We (the Woodlands 2000 Trust) can produce them for you with your company's branding and logos for 80ksh each if anyone operating in East Africa is interested. </div><div><br></div><div>Many thanks</div><div><br>Teddy </div><div><br></div><div> <img src="cid:ii_hzttcicy0_14855562bc54d080" width="354" height="472"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><b>Cookswell Jikos</b><br><a href="http://www.cookswell.co.ke" target="_blank">www.cookswell.co.ke</a></div><div><a href="http://www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos</a></div><div><a href="http://www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com" target="_blank">www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com</a></div><div>Mobile: +254 700 380 009 <br></div><div>Mobile: +254 700 905 913</div><div>P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya</div><div><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mFnK50B4oS8/UUrgJle8z9I/AAAAAAAAB_o/OUjLd7wrKPg/s133/Cookswell+Logo.PNG" width="71" height="96"><br></div><div><font color="#008000" face="Tms Rmn">Save trees - think twice before printing</font><font size="1" color="#008000" face="Tms Rmn">.</font><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><br></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Michael N Trevor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mtrevor@mail.mh" target="_blank">mtrevor@mail.mh</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I would truly love to see people doing trees add breadfruit to the
mix.</div>
<div>A single tree can supply a family of 4 for about 60/70 years. </div>
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<div>Michael N Trevor</div>
<div>Marshall Islands</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="rstanley@legacyfound.org" href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">Richard Stanley</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 07, 2014 1:46 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="invfalcones53@yahoo.com" href="mailto:invfalcones53@yahoo.com" target="_blank">Inversiones Falcon</a> ; <a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">Discussion of biomass cooking
stoves</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] On Teddy's idea of providing tree seedlings
withones product or service ...</div></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri";FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">Thanks
Gustavo,
<div> </div>
<div>Re seedlings distribution, I am quickly discovering that the provision of
tree seedling along with stoves and other activities is being done far
more widely than I realized. Have a lot to learn about this. Permit me to
try to piggy back on your experiences and Bobs (and others so involved, in this
list) when it comes to things to do with briquettes too. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Otto Formo wisely suggested too, that distribution of seedlings should
be incentivised so that they will be tended to, for successful take
up; How do you or your Bob in Nchi ya Tanzanai ensure that the receipient will
take care of them.
<div> </div>
<div>We are in working Nicaragua now and have friends who are keen on getting
into El Salvador: Paul -Tlud-Anderson for one. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>We'll be returning to Nica (Laguna de Apoyo), from mid Octubre
thru Februero, so lets finally think about a collaboration for training in
your pais too. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>finally eh ?
<div> </div>
<div>Ricardo 'el pelon' Stanley</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>On Sep 4, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Inversiones Falcon wrote:</div>
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<div>Dear Richard, we deliver trees in the rainy season in El Salvador we just
delivered close to 5.000 trees in communities where we delivered stoves in the
past. this was done with the help of my american friend Gary, Paul and reverend
Darrel from Virginia, they come every year to help on the trees delivery.</div>
<div>see this year pictures.</div>
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Regard </div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial">On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 2:19 PM,
Richard Stanley <<a href="mailto:rstanley@legacyfound.org" target="_blank">rstanley@legacyfound.org</a>>
wrote:<br></font></div><br><br>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hamjambo Mzee Teddy,
<div> </div>
<div>Providing tree seedlings with ones related ( or even unrelated ) product or
service is a very good idea.</div>
<div>If everyone of the stove maker and briquette producers and trianing
services out hter were to offer tree seedlings along with their product or
service, what an impact it would have ! </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I will suggest it with the briquette trainers and producers
whom we know.
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks
<div>Richard Stanley</div>
<div><a href="http://www.legacyfound.org/" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.legacyfound.org</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>PS. Check out website news for recent raining and demonstration activities
by the Lushoto based Marietta and Zaugia training team at the Nane Nane
agricultural show in Morogoro Tanzania. And $5 USD to anyone who can fine a
foreign face in the crowd.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>
<div>On Sep 3, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Cookswell Jikos wrote:</div>
<div> </div>
<div dir="ltr">Hi Kirk - good thinking - I personally feel that if people are
going to continue to use woodfuel to cook and heat with in the future,
specifically charcoal and firewood - and even if its just for perhaps the
occasional Sunday BBQ in 2040, let alone everyday, woodfuel should be looked at
as one of many 'green' renewable energy options that compliment each other as
household energy sources.
<div> </div>
<div>I think that biomass cookstove manufacturers should be at the forefront of
investing in better holistic forestry practises and education for so many
reasons; mainly of course as source of fuel for their stoves in future, but also
for all the other positive trickle down ecosystem effects and resources (timber
etc) forests provide us. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>It would even appear, according to this article below that tree's actually
even clean the air on a multi-billion dollar a year basis (<a href="http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/8279/20140728/trees-reduce-air-pollution-respiratory-problems.htm" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/8279/20140728/trees-reduce-air-pollution-respiratory-problems.htm</a>)
- to me this opens a fascinating line of thought for integrating long term urban
planning options for cleaner enviroments, food and fuel production etc. in
cities like Nairobi - but basically it sounds like we all need to plant soooo
many more trees! </div>
<div> </div>
<div>So if everyone on this email listserve plants and looks after even just
four $0.25c tree seedlings this year (stoves listserve card carrying members get
free tree seedlings from Cookswell Jikos if you are in Kenya) - I guarantee you,
it'll be one of the best non-direct cookstove investments you can make for your
kids while they tinker with stoves in 2040. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div><br clear="none">Teddy </div>
<div> </div></div>
<div>
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<div><font color="#008000" face="Tms Rmn">Save trees - think twice before
printing</font><font color="#008000" size="1" face="Tms Rmn">.</font><br clear="none"></div>
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<div>On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:03 PM, kgharris
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kgharris@sonic.net" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kgharris@sonic.net</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>
<div><font face="Arial">Hi all,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I was wondering what happens when all the people whos
lives are saved add their demand on an already stressed environment. If
10,000 lives are saved that is 10,000 more mouths to feed and 10,000 more
people cutting down forests. That's today, 20 years from now it will be
even more as the saved children begin their own families, and in 40 years even
more. I asked a friend about this and he, being a retired high school
teacher, said that the stoves must be accompanied by education. Any
thought on what education would be good?</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Kirk Harris,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Santa Rosa, CA. USA</font></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND:rgb(228,228,228);FONT:10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a title="marcpare0@gmail.com" href="mailto:marcpare0@gmail.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Marc-Antoine
Pare</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves</a> </div></div>
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<div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 02, 2014 11:57
PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [Stoves] health impact?</div>
<div> </div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi everyone,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>A big confession: having tinkered with stoves for years, I never
actually looked into the numbers of stove health impacts. I'm trying to fix
that, and I hope you can help!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I mean, yes, I can wave my hands about PM and CO and four million
deaths!</div>
<div> </div>
<div>But how many deaths (or DALYs) do you avert per stove? Or per 10,000
stoves? Or per 100,000,000?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I thought it would be an easy question to answer, but it's turning out
to be quite tricky to even ballpark.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Here is one interesting source. This is from the very recent webinar on
Kirk Smith's HAPIT tool. </div>
<div> </div>
<div><a href="http://www.cleancookstoves.org/resources_files/hapit-results-rwanda.pdf" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.cleancookstoves.org/resources_files/hapit-results-rwanda.pdf</a><br clear="none"></div>
<div> </div>
<div>This report considers 25,000 households.</div>
<div>If you provide all of those households a rocket stove, you save only
0.75 lives per year.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>If you take the GACC's target 100,000,000 households, that would
mean</div>
<div> </div>
<div>0.75/25000*100000000 = <b>3,000 lives saved</b> worldwide annually.<br clear="none"></div>
<div> </div>
<div>What am I missing there? This seems so small.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Some speculation:</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Kirk Smith mentions in the HAPIT webinar that even a small amount of
PM2.5 is still harmful. Perhaps biomass stoves just don't get the number low
enough?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I think this would fit with the chart in the linked PDF that shows that
stoves only reduce deaths by <5% for indoor air pollution. A few times in
the HAPIT webinar, they mention "a lot of lives are still left on the
table."</div>
<div> </div>
<div>This also seems to agree with something I found in Christian L'Orange's
dissertation:</div>
<div><a href="http://digitool.library.colostate.edu///exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/L2V4bGlicmlzL2R0bC9kM18xL2FwYWNoZV9tZWRpYS8yNDYyOTQ=.pdf" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://digitool.library.colostate.edu///exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/L2V4bGlicmlzL2R0bC9kM18xL2FwYWNoZV9tZWRpYS8yNDYyOTQ=.pdf</a><br clear="none"></div>
<div> </div>
<div>Figure 33 shows that Envirofit G3300 stoves only have a 3% (or so)
impact on "Adjusted Relative Risk" (of death)</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Please do not worry about hurting my feelings in correcting these
numbers. Am I thinking about this the wrong way around? Have I punched the
numbers in incorrectly? </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Also, I would be very interested to read more good papers on health
impacts for stoves. It is all really quite interesting work. I feel bad that
I didn't look at it sooner.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>
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<div>Marc Paré</div></div></div></div></div></div>
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