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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Ron (and others),<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sorry it has taken me this long to get more info on our project onto our website. There is now a general description of the project at <a href="http://www.groundwork.org/English/projects.html">http://www.groundwork.org/English/projects.html</a> click on one Cameroon Ultra-Low-Cost Housing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Details of cooking habits, firewood and some local stoves are here <a href="http://www.groundwork.org/English/Conditions%20in%20Besongabang.html">http://www.groundwork.org/English/Conditions%20in%20Besongabang.html</a> click on “Kitchens” or “Firewood” or “Locally made sawdust stoves” and also a cooking video.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Short answers to your questions<br>First village we are working with is Besongabang, population 2500. Later with other villages.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The area is heavily forested. Wood for construction is an important local resource. Almost everyone cooks with wood. Firewood is pretty easy to come by. People mostly use larger sticks of wood 2-6” diameter. See the above link of firewood for more details. An estimate of daily firewood consumption per person is in the report.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Types of food are covered in 2 of the reports. Mostly things are stewed in a pot with liquid.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Things grow abundantly but other than that I don’t have information on the quality of soil. I can provide information on types of crops as our discussion progresses.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There is electricity in the town but it is very unreliable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Income is $1.60-5.00/day for the whole family (not per person).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We are working with a local NGO (UAC-United Action for Children). There are some schools nearly. UAC has established a vocational school. It focuses mainly on wood working and some crafts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Local manufacturing seems the most desirable way to go but it is possible to think of imports if the cost is low enough.<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are local craftspeople making sawdust stoves (see report) and metal workers of various types.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have 2 staff people on site in Besongabang. They will be there for 1 year (part gone already). We are teaching local counterparts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regarding preference between Rocket stoves and TLUD, we are open to both.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The Rocket stove seems to use fuel that is closer to what people traditionally use and can be continuously fed to continue cooking or stop cooking.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The gasifier, as I understand it, is more efficient and has lower emissions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are 2 criteria we have for stoves that most improved cook stoves I see don’t have:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chimneys to take smoke out of the kitchen. Although some stoves have low emissions we want almost none in the kitchen.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We want counter height cook surfaces. We are aware that most people cook on 3 stone fires on the ground. However, when given the opportunity (for example with a kerosene stove) they put it on a counter height surface. Villagers we discussed this with like the idea. However, doing a demonstration and letting people try it out will be the real test. In any event, this is one criteria for the stoves we want to start with. We are engaged in a process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I will greatly appreciate your ideas.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Huck <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ronal W. Larson [<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net">mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 6, 2014 9:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> Huck Rorick; Discussion of biomass<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] cook stoves for Cameroon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Huck cc list<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Perhaps we can best start by your giving the specific Cameroon town name, a little more on the environment (forests, pastures, population, etc.), the types of education and skills available, income levels, whether there are any other NGOs in the area, any connection to a University that might help, etc. How difficult to obtain wood? Electricity in the town or how far away? Cost of wood and charcoal? Any measure of present wood consumption for families of different sizes (per day)? Types of food that are favored? Quality of the soil? Types of crops?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Are you thinking of local manufacture or hoping to find a low cost alternative to sell? What handicraft skills might there be now that fit stoves ? (ceramics?, bending metal? etc.) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Do you or could you have your staff there to oversee?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Most of us on this list are working on either Rocket stoves or TLUD stoves. Any preference now?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Have you wandered around the archives for this site, GACC, Ethos, any companies (Stovetec, Envirofit, etc)?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Many more questions needed probably before we can give valid guidance..<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 6, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Huck Rorick <<a href="mailto:huckrorick@groundwork.org">huckrorick@groundwork.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi All, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I’ve been discussing improved wood stoves with Paul Anderson and he suggested I join this discussion and introduce our group. Our institute (Groundwork Institute) is working on an ultra-low-cost housing program in Cameroon. One focus of our work where we expect to have a major impact is in public health around clean water, sanitation and improved cook stoves. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Where we are working wood is by far the predominant fuel for cooking. The average family cooks on a 3 stone fire in a tin shack kitchen with dirt floor and no ventilation. The kitchen is black and filled with smoke. As I am sure everyone in this discussion group is aware this smoke has a serious health impact leading we are told to more deaths than malaria. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We want to find stoves that will help us improve indoor air quality, outdoor air quality, increase fuel efficiency and improve environmental impacts. We need help in finding the right stoves for our project. It also looks like we won’t be able to find something “off the shelf” that perfectly fits our conditions so it seems we will have to do some design and modify the stove type that is closest to what we need.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Paul suggested I introduce our group before asking a lot of questions, so I will stop here. I look forward to participating in your discussions. Any initial comments or questions from you are welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#400040'>Huck Rorick</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Executive Director<br>Groundwork Institute<br>2640 Silvercrest Street<br>Pinole, CA 94564<br>Phone: 510-222-4111<br>email:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="mailto:huckrorick@groundwork.org"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>huckrorick@groundwork.org</span></a><span style='color:gray'><br></span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Website:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="http://www.groundwork.org/"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.groundwork.org</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br></span><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br></span><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br></span><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple'>http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</span></a><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>