<html>
  <head>
    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
      http-equiv="Content-Type">
  </head>
  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Huck,<br>
      <br>
      Crispin wrote:<br>
      <blockquote type="cite"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
          lang="EN-US">Thus ‘gasifiers’ are getting rated as if they do
          not consume fuel that is actually consumed.</span></blockquote>
      Crispin's point is that wood that is turned into charcoal is no
      longer wood.   THAT is true.    But there are two ways to state
      the efficiency:    Fuel efficiency and Energy efficiency.   
      Charcoal that is created is no longer wood.   But it is a fuel
      made from wood that was transformed.    And it typically represent
      25% to 35% of the energy that is in the dry weight of the wood.  <br>
      <br>
      You indicated that the area is reasonably wooded.   So it is not a
      case of scarcity of wood.   <br>
      <br>
      If the created charcoal is put into the soil as biochar, then that
      energy content is no longer available.<br>
      <br>
      You as the project leader and with your personnel can make the
      decision about how to read the numbers in the reports on stove
      efficiency (of fuel or of energy).<br>
      <br>
      Paul<br>
      <br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD  
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   
Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
      On 9/15/2014 10:45 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:COL401-EAS328B777B4F2F1E00568FD5DB1C90@phx.gbl"
      type="cite">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
        charset=ISO-8859-1">
      <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered
        medium)">
      <style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
        {font-family:Helvetica;
        panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:"Cambria Math";
        panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:Calibri;
        panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:Tahoma;
        panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
        {margin:0mm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        color:blue;
        text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        color:purple;
        text-decoration:underline;}
p.MsoAcetate, li.MsoAcetate, div.MsoAcetate
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        mso-style-link:"Balloon Text Char";
        margin:0mm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:8.0pt;
        font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";}
p.MsoListParagraph, li.MsoListParagraph, div.MsoListParagraph
        {mso-style-priority:34;
        margin-top:0mm;
        margin-right:0mm;
        margin-bottom:0mm;
        margin-left:36.0pt;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
span.BalloonTextChar
        {mso-style-name:"Balloon Text Char";
        mso-style-priority:99;
        mso-style-link:"Balloon Text";
        font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";}
span.apple-tab-span
        {mso-style-name:apple-tab-span;}
span.apple-converted-space
        {mso-style-name:apple-converted-space;}
span.EmailStyle22
        {mso-style-type:personal;
        font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
        color:#1F497D;}
span.EmailStyle23
        {mso-style-type:personal-reply;
        font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
        color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
        {mso-style-type:export-only;
        font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
        {size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
        margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}
div.WordSection1
        {page:WordSection1;}
/* List Definitions */
@list l0
        {mso-list-id:1815414206;
        mso-list-type:hybrid;
        mso-list-template-ids:246949890 67698703 67698713 67698715 67698703 67698713 67698715 67698703 67698713 67698715;}
@list l0:level1
        {mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level2
        {mso-level-number-format:alpha-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level3
        {mso-level-number-format:roman-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:right;
        text-indent:-9.0pt;}
@list l0:level4
        {mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level5
        {mso-level-number-format:alpha-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level6
        {mso-level-number-format:roman-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:right;
        text-indent:-9.0pt;}
@list l0:level7
        {mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level8
        {mso-level-number-format:alpha-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:left;
        text-indent:-18.0pt;}
@list l0:level9
        {mso-level-number-format:roman-lower;
        mso-level-tab-stop:none;
        mso-level-number-position:right;
        text-indent:-9.0pt;}
ol
        {margin-bottom:0mm;}
ul
        {margin-bottom:0mm;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear
            Huck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just
            one quick point:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">The gasifier, as I understand it, is more
            efficient and has lower emissions.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                  lang="EN-US">It depends on the test method and the
                  metrics. It is fashionable to use the GACC-WBT and
                  that test does not report fuel consumption, it reports
                  the fuel mass equivalent of the energy consumption,
                  treating charcoal left over as unburned raw fuel
                  (meaning it says the wood was not consumed).</span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""
                  lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">Thus ‘gasifiers’ are getting rated as if they
              do not consume fuel that is actually consumed. When you
              assess the performance be sure you are clear on how the
              method calculates performance and what the metrics are.
              You may want to measure ( and weigh) fuel needed per
              cooking cycle rather than use any calculated numbers from
              a complex test protocol.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">For evaluation of performance I recommend the
              CSI-WHT which is a water heating test (no boiling) and a
              measure of the raw fuel needed per replication of the
              cooing cycle. It is used by the WB in the Clean Stove
              Initiative in Indonesia. Documentation (some anyway) is
              available.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">Crispin in Tamil Naidu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
      <br>
      <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
Stoves mailing list

to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>

to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a>

for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a>

</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
  </body>
</html>