<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">List, cc Crispin and Anh<div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1. I think Crispin has this mostly correct in his favorable remarks below. But Crispin may not appreciate that the central part of the Anh stove is also a char-maker. Crispin’s term “general combustion” in the last line should be replaced by “pyrolysis” or “gasification”. Combustion is not occurring in this stove. Note that the extra “bins” - used as true pyrolysis (no oxygen) side box retorts are optional. I agree that the Anh stove is a good advance - as I have said earlier on this list. It is pretty darn cheap as well - and perhaps has a potential good lifetime, and relatively free from need for repairs. But I don’t know that and so hope Anh will comment more on lifetimes and repairs - the topic of another dialog on this list. Also on any sales of char made by any user? Does Anh recommend consuming char in this same stove?</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2. My interpretation of the testing procedures and stove rating preferred by Crispin as given at </div><div><br></div><div><div><a href="http://www.cleancookstoves.org/our-work/standards-and-testing/learn-about-testing-protocols/protocols/downloads/CSI_Indonesia_Test_Methods_2014-1-14_v7.pdf">http://www.cleancookstoves.org/our-work/standards-and-testing/learn-about-testing-protocols/protocols/downloads/CSI_Indonesia_Test_Methods_2014-1-14_v7.pdf</a></div></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>is that this Anh stove would have to receive a low rating - a 0 or 1 star max. So I ask Crispin to quote from the (his) above (CSI) procedure (where the term “charcoal” only appears once - as a fuel) on how a tester could give the Anh stove a higher rating - either alone or with one or two extra side “boxes”?</div><div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br><div><div>On Sep 29, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dear Anh<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I want to compliment you on this brilliant approach to cooking and making char at the same time. This type of co-firing is used in sawdust stoves, and to a certain extent Cecil reports the use of co-firing different moisture content fuels in Indonesia in order to get particular control over the fire.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I think AD Karve will be interested to try this on a small scale as a way to make the char the feeds into the ‘elbow macaroni’ fuel used in Sarai stoves.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If it is not obvious to readers, the idea is to load fuels that will not burn effectively on their own (sawdust stove, leaf stove etc) into a container that is roasted by the wood fire. The rubbish fuels are then gasified and that gas adds to the general combustion. It is likely to lower emissions of PM (a lot) because of the high hydrogen content in the gas.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Congratulations<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US">"Frame" is just a translation from Vietnamese name used for the extra metal frame to support large pots (>50 litters). With that metal frame, we can take the stove out, add more fuel without moving the heavy pot which stay on the metal frame.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US">The biomass box can be in various side and shape, can be just a metal tube (our first tests). We need to seal the bottom of the box to prevent biomass falling out and air getting in. The top of the box can be open but I prefer to have cap with some small holes (3-4 holes at 1cm diameter), with that we can reduce air getting in (to keep the biochar from burning out) and concentrate the gas output and make a longer flame from the holes.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US">The box side: can be same height with the combustion chamber, the width can be ~ 1/3 of the combustion chamber, so with 2 boxes you can replace ~60% wood with small biomass (burning time will reduce but you can add more wood/main fuel later to extend cook time)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US">For small tube type box, you can put in as if it is a wood stick. I prefer the square shape box to put on the sides of the square stove, it will only use waste heat that transfer out sideway to heat the biomass inside, it also reduce temperature of the stove's side cover a bit.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US">Duration of the box varies depending on biomass type, saw dust is the best, can burn for 15-20 min more (after fire from main wood burnt out). <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US">Limitations:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US">- it's hard to replace biomass box when it burnt out, need extra tool to replace the box when stove is burning hot.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US">- some biomass burn out too fast: straw, garden leaves,... so cannot use with too small boxes<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US">Here are some picture of the boxes before and after cooking.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US"><span><image001.png></span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0mm 0mm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas;"><span lang="EN-US">Anh<o:p></o:p></span></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>