<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To Paul’s question: <b class="">Are we making the many efforts for better cookstoves ONLY because of health?</b><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Let us not forget the benefits of using biochar for Restorative Agriculture. <span style="font-family: ArialMT;" class="">If you are interested in agricultural practices that restore productivity, you may find this article in the July issue of the International Biochar Initiative's newsletter of interest. </span></div><div class=""><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(71, 135, 255); text-decoration: underline;"><a href="http://www.biochar-international.org/green_fire_farm" class="">http://www.biochar-international.org/green_fire_farm</a></span></div><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;"><div class="">There was also a very good article by Michael Low & Hart Brent in the Spring issue of the "Small Farmer’s Journal". </div></div><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;">Cheers,</div><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: ArialMT;">Jock</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 17, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Stovers,<br class="">
<br class="">
The message below from Dr. Kirk Smith's mailing list has not been
distributed to the Stoves Listserv. It is too important to
overlook, and merits our discussions.<br class="">
<br class="">
He wrote:
<blockquote type="cite" class="">newer
evidence since 2005 on the health effects of combustion air
pollution, as
for example found in the latest Global Burden of Disease
estimates, would
indicate that when the next revision of the AQGs is done (as now
planned), the limits will become even lower. The stove community
thus should probably therefore consider <b class=""><u class="">what this document
recommends as
likely to tighten further [emissons standards] over time.</u></b>
(emphasis added)<br class="">
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<br class="">
In an earlier (Nov 6) message to the Stoves Listserv, this <u class="">comment
by a reviewer</u> stated about Dr. Smith's work:
<blockquote type="cite" class="">IT MARKS A MAJOR
SHIFT IN THINKING FROM IMPROVING COOK STOVES TO RECOGNIZING THAT
TO GAIN
THE POSITIVE HEALTH IMPACT STOVES HAVE TO BE CLEAN (GAS-LIKE), AND
THAT
PROBABLY THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE THIS ON A MASS SCALE IS THROUGH
LP GAS
AND ELECTRICITY.</blockquote>
<br class="">
Holy Smokes!! Nobody even made a comment about this!! (I was on a
trip and am only replying now.) That is an endorsement of LP Gas
and electricity as "probably the only way" to get the emissions down
low enough. And nobody said anything??<br class="">
<br class="">
If we do not discuss this, does that mean that we accept it? What
about these issues:<br class="">
<br class="">
1. Probably biogas (from wet biomass) is sufficiently clean?<br class="">
<br class="">
2. Can the TLUD and other gasifiers stoves make the cut-off because
they are gas-burning stoves that make their own gases, that is, they
are "gas-like" in operations? And funding to determine if this can
happen?<br class="">
<br class="">
3. Other technologies related to solid fuels for cooking,
(including coal as mentioned by Crispin in other messages)?<br class="">
<br class="">
4. AND what about the socio-economic impracticality to expect that
impoverished people who depend on wood and other solid fuels will be
able to sustainably obtain LPG and electricity within multiple
generations? Move them up to the top of the energy ladder right
away, or simply neglect them for additional decades while the
affluent world decides what assistance is given to whom? <br class="">
<br class="">
5. And a big issue: <b class="">Are we making the many efforts for better
cookstoves ONLY because of health?</b> What about deforestation and
fuel efficiency? and CO2 increases? and safety from burns?
and development of other biomass fuels / semi-processed biomass from
"refuse" and low-value stems, etc.?<br class="">
<br class="">
6. Should the GACC and other organizations pull out of their
support for solid-fuel-stoves? <br class="">
<br class="">
I am certain that Kirk Smith and the GACC and others have the best
interests of all in mind. But in light of the recent scientific
and health findings, what should be the future of biomass stoves?<br class="">
<br class="">
I will contribute to this discussion as appropriate, but I am not
going to get into any individualized debates. So please direct
your comments to EVERYONE. Feel free to adjust the Subject line to
reflect your "flavor" of reply, because there are SOOOOO many
different aspects to the topics at hand, and we should soon have a
few different threads of messages.<br class="">
<br class="">
And remember that this week, Thurs 20 Nov, is the big GACC meeting
in New York City. I have been assured by the organizers that it
will have live broadcast via Internet, so we can all listen to the
high powered presentations that day. Will any speaker comment on
this latest interpretation of what constitutes "sufficiently clean"
regarding cookstoves? And at the Friday private meeting for the
pledging of funding for further clean-cookstove efforts, will the
funds flow for LPG and electricity?<br class="">
<br class="">
What is the future of biomass stoves?<br class="">
<br class="">
Paul<br class="">
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
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