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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Leslie ( and to all),<br>
<br>
I sincerely thank you for pointing out that a report about the
Guatemala meeting is in the newsletter and blogsite. One
sentence in particular stands out:
<blockquote type="cite">Thus, even though the IWA will likely be
replaced by new standards in the future, we need to continue to
use the IWA in the interim to maintain our momentum. </blockquote>
Fair enough. Crispin's comments were a bit more forceful. Those
of us who have stoves that are being tested are certainly
concerned about what is developing. We will need to see what
transpires.<br>
<br>
The posting as a blog was indeed timely, and in that way the
communications are good. I commend Ranyee and others for that.
But I believe that too many postings go unnoticed, whether those
by GACC or WB or other websites. I know that I am guilty of not
following closely all such postings. <br>
<br>
On the other hand, the Stoves Listserv is a major communication
avenue that is <u>under</u>utilized by GACC and WB and others as
a way to alert people about what is happening. I note that HEDON
network does an excellent job of getting its items to the
attention of the Stover community that is on the Stoves Listserv.<br>
<br>
A case in point is the announcement of the availability of
receiving LIVE transmission of the GACC Stove summit 3 days ago.
A short note to the Stoves Listserv mentioning that availability
(and give a link to the GACC site with details for joining the
event) might have increased the number of on-line attendees. (I
saw the number was 45 at one point, and maybe higher later, but
possibly much higher if notification to the Stoves Listserv had
taken place.)<br>
<br>
I certainly am not claiming to be typical of all the Stove
Listserv subscribers. I am just encouraging the GACC to send
more messages and notifications. And we are pleased to note that
the GACC leadership is among the subscribers and actual readers of
the Stoves Listserv.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 11/23/2014 8:23 PM, Leslie Cordes wrote:<br>
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<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Paul - I want to
make sure that you and others have had a chance to read the
overview from the Guatemala workshop that was posted on both the
Alliance web page (mid October) and sent out in the October
Alliance newsletter? The link may be found here:</div>
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</span><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">On Nov 23,
2014, at 4:16 PM, "Paul Anderson" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>>
wrote:</span><br>
<br>
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<div><span>Crispin and all,</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Thank you for your comments. I EXPECT that others who
attended, especially those in leadership roles, will also
make comments. I make three short comments:</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>1. No tears for no tiers!!!! I am not against
measurements and making comparison (which should continue),
but the rigor of what was implied in the Tiers structure
seemed overbearing.</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>2. The possible (actual?) demise of the WBT (as a
strictly defined methodology) should result in some
improvements. We will continue to boil water (thank
goodness at least water is rather standardized around the
world), but without the precise regulations imposed over the
past years. There will be tests with boiling of water, but
not a specific Water Boiling Test (note the capital letters
in the name of some specific test). How does this impact
the use of prior results and change what we will do in the
future?</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>3. And most important: Why is it that only now near
the end of November is there any of this information
becoming available? I am thankfully NOT on any of the
testing protocol committees, so I do not have first hand
information. But I AM extremely interested in what is
happening because it impacts my work and the work of so many
other Stovers.</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>I am sure that Crispin is not making up what he wrote
about the results from the Guatemala meeting. It just
seems that BIG news travels very slowly.</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>I assume that the issues of tests and standards will be
important topics on this Listserv, and that gatherings at
ETHOS and at any workshops at the Regional Testing Centers
will focus on such changes / variations.</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Paul</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD</span><br>
<span>Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></span><br>
<span>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072</span><br>
<span>Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>On 11/22/2014 3:19 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:</span><br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear Paul</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I asked SABS (South African
Bureau of Standards) staff (who I represent) if</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>we are allowed to make documents
like the new work item proposals and</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>minutes available to
non-members, meaning people outside the national</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>committees. They said generally
no, those are documents accessible to the</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>national standards bodies only
(and their committee members).</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>On the other hand there is a lot
of interest on what is happening. I can</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>report personally that several
discussions were held on what 'shape' the</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>future standard should have
(tiers or not, for example) and the decision</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>came down on the side of 'no
tiers'. With respect to the WBT (the GACC is</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>presently the custodian of it)
this was also turned down. The preference is</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>for a testing framework - first
proposed in Nairobi and discussed in some</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>detail in Guatemala. The
reasoning is that there are so many different</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>environments in which stoves are
used, it is not possible to imagine a</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>single, rigid test that will
helpful rate performance in all nations. What</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>needed, it was agreed, is a
testing framework with valid sub-tests which can</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>be used if appropriate for the
fuel, device or circumstances.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>This is already widely done in
other industries. Building energy efficiency</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>is one example, and all the
social sciences. The same applies in the EU</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>where a single omnibus standard
applies to a huge range of cooking</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>appliances. So it is a matter of
keeping up, not reinventing the wheel.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>In terms of attendance, a lot of
people had trouble getting visas to</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Guatemala. The total was about
65. That was for 4 Working Groups. Only two</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>met at a time and all were
invited to attend anything of interest. As a</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>percentage, there were more
people with some standards background than in</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Nairobi. We saw some new faces.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Regard</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Crispin</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Stoves [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
On Behalf Of</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul Anderson</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014
7:29 PM</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Discussion of biomass
cooking stoves</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [Stoves] Guatemala
meeting about tests and standards</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear Stovers,</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>There was a meeting about tests
and standards of stoves in Guatemala a</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>month or so ago. Is there any
summary report? Or could those who were</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>there make some comments,
please.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>I assume there is a list
somewhere of who are on the ISO / WBT / IWA /</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>XYZ committee. And how many
showed up?</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Nothing was said about this at
the GACC 2 day meeting just concluded, so I</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>thought I would ask.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Thanks in advance,</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul
S. Anderson, PhD</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Email: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Skype: paultlud Phone:
+1-309-452-7072</span><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Website: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></span><br>
</blockquote>
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