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<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Paul - I want to make sure that you and others have had a chance to read the overview from the Guatemala workshop that was posted on both the Alliance web page (mid October) and sent out in the October Alliance
newsletter? The link may be found here:</div>
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</span><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">On Nov 23, 2014, at 4:16 PM, "Paul Anderson" <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:</span><br>
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<div><span>Crispin and all,</span><br>
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<span>Thank you for your comments. I EXPECT that others who attended, especially those in leadership roles, will also make comments. I make three short comments:</span><br>
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<span>1. No tears for no tiers!!!! I am not against measurements and making comparison (which should continue), but the rigor of what was implied in the Tiers structure seemed overbearing.</span><br>
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<span>2. The possible (actual?) demise of the WBT (as a strictly defined methodology) should result in some improvements. We will continue to boil water (thank goodness at least water is rather standardized around the world), but without the precise regulations
imposed over the past years. There will be tests with boiling of water, but not a specific Water Boiling Test (note the capital letters in the name of some specific test). How does this impact the use of prior results and change what we will do in the
future?</span><br>
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<span>3. And most important: Why is it that only now near the end of November is there any of this information becoming available? I am thankfully NOT on any of the testing protocol committees, so I do not have first hand information. But I AM extremely
interested in what is happening because it impacts my work and the work of so many other Stovers.</span><br>
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<span>I am sure that Crispin is not making up what he wrote about the results from the Guatemala meeting. It just seems that BIG news travels very slowly.</span><br>
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<span>I assume that the issues of tests and standards will be important topics on this Listserv, and that gatherings at ETHOS and at any workshops at the Regional Testing Centers will focus on such changes / variations.</span><br>
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<span>Paul</span><br>
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<span>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD</span><br>
<span>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></span><br>
<span>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072</span><br>
<span>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></span><br>
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<span>On 11/22/2014 3:19 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:</span><br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear Paul</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I asked SABS (South African Bureau of Standards) staff (who I represent) if</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>we are allowed to make documents like the new work item proposals and</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>committees. They said generally no, those are documents accessible to the</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>national standards bodies only (and their committee members).</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>On the other hand there is a lot of interest on what is happening. I can</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>report personally that several discussions were held on what 'shape' the</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>future standard should have (tiers or not, for example) and the decision</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>came down on the side of 'no tiers'. With respect to the WBT (the GACC is</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>presently the custodian of it) this was also turned down. The preference is</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>for a testing framework - first proposed in Nairobi and discussed in some</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>detail in Guatemala. The reasoning is that there are so many different</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>environments in which stoves are used, it is not possible to imagine a</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>single, rigid test that will helpful rate performance in all nations. What</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>needed, it was agreed, is a testing framework with valid sub-tests which can</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>be used if appropriate for the fuel, device or circumstances.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>This is already widely done in other industries. Building energy efficiency</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>is one example, and all the social sciences. The same applies in the EU</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>where a single omnibus standard applies to a huge range of cooking</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>appliances. So it is a matter of keeping up, not reinventing the wheel.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>In terms of attendance, a lot of people had trouble getting visas to</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Guatemala. The total was about 65. That was for 4 Working Groups. Only two</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>met at a time and all were invited to attend anything of interest. As a</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>percentage, there were more people with some standards background than in</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Nairobi. We saw some new faces.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Regard</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Crispin</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Stoves [<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] On Behalf Of</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul Anderson</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:29 PM</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [Stoves] Guatemala meeting about tests and standards</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear Stovers,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>There was a meeting about tests and standards of stoves in Guatemala a</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>month or so ago. Is there any summary report? Or could those who were</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>there make some comments, please.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I assume there is a list somewhere of who are on the ISO / WBT / IWA /</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>XYZ committee. And how many showed up?</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Nothing was said about this at the GACC 2 day meeting just concluded, so I</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>thought I would ask.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Thanks in advance,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Paul</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></span><br>
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