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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Stovers,<br>
<br>
Strike it rich!!!! I went to the CSI website (link is in the
message below) and went browsing. I stumbled upon this document:<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://collaboration.worldbank.org/docs/DOC-10999">https://collaboration.worldbank.org/docs/DOC-10999</a> that is
entitled:<br>
<br>
2014-10-15 Seminar Video Recording: RBF Pilots on Promoting Clean
Stoves in China and Indonesia<br>
<br>
On October 15 this year, while the working groups on standards
were meeting in Guatemala, a Power Point presentation was recorded
by CSI and it is now available to be seen. Length is almost 1 hr
12 minutes. Not all is great listening. But much is quite
informative.<br>
<br>
OF SPECIAL NOTE is the discussion starting at 56:21 about how
stoves are being evaluated in Indonesia. We knew about these
standards months ago when Indonesia requested applicant stoves for
evaluation for inclusion in the national pilot program. But in
this document it became clearer to me. See the presentation, but
here are some highlights:<br>
<br>
1. At 58:00 minutes: See photos of 15 of the 22 entries (17
accepted for testing). Many are easily recognized. Seems like
3 or 4 have fans; one has a chimney, TLUDs and rocket stoves are
included.<br>
<br>
2. The timetable of the Indonesia program calls for the next
round of results (finalists?) to be announced in November. If
they are on schedule, we hope to hear the results publicly by
mid-December. I hope somebody reports it to the Stoves Listserv.<br>
<br>
3. The testing criteria have ratings of 1, 2, and 3 Stars. <br>
<br>
Well worth the time to view this documentation.<br>
<br>
4. The speaker also mentions that this evaluation system was
being considered (probably not seen for the first time) by the
Working Group on Stove Standards in Guatemala. No wonder there
is discussion about Tiers and WBT, because there is at least one
set of alternative measurements / methods. <br>
<br>
Clearly none of this is confidential information exclusive to the
working group members. It is all out in front of us on the
Internet, if we just find it and call it to the attention of those
who read our Stoves Listserv.<br>
<br>
I also know from the Biochar Listserv that the Indonesia system
has a very controversial element concerning "fuel efficiency" vs
"energy efficiency". Specifically, the char-making stoves
(mainly TLUDs) are given zero credit for the energy value (or
other value as a different fuel) of any resultant charcoal
produced. The wood is no longer wood if it has become charcoal,
so fuel-wood efficiency is going to be lowered even if the
net-energy-used efficiency is more favorable. To me, that
remains an item for discussion, but charcoal production will hurt
the TLUD stoves in the context of the Indonesian testing. <br>
<br>
Note: With transparency and fair play for all, I will point out
the the WB CSI (like the GACC) has not done, in my opinion, a very
good job of utilizing the Stoves Listserv as a means of informing
these "Stovers" about its efforts. Sure the websites are there,
but please help us out a bit to better appreciate your content.<br>
<br>
And Stovers, when you find interesting sites and specifics, please
inform us all. I have hardly scratched the surface of what is on
these well-made and informative websites. <br>
<br>
If anyone has knowledge of other "stove testing standards" that
should be considered, please mention them to the Listserv.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 11/13/2014 6:29 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">If you haven’t done so already, I recommend
checking out a useful resource on sustainable stoves: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://collaboration.worldbank.org/groups/clean-cooking-and-heating-solutions">https://collaboration.worldbank.org/groups/clean-cooking-and-heating-solutions</a>.
This is a website run by the World Bank Group Clean Stove
Initiative aiming to provide both knowledge products and a
discussion forum for working professionals in this field, in
two languages. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">You can access categories of information on
clean cooking and heating solutions (click <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://collaboration.worldbank.org/groups/clean-cooking-and-heating-solutions/projects/knowledge-hub/content">here</a>)
or join ongoing discussions on various aspects of the issue
(click <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://collaboration.worldbank.org/groups/clean-cooking-and-heating-solutions/projects/discussion-forum">here</a>
for English and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://collaboration.worldbank.org/groups/clean-cooking-and-heating-solutions/projects/iniciativa-de-estufas-limpias-en-centroam%C3%A9rica?invite=false">here</a>
for Spanish). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">To learn more about the initiative please
contact Ms. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:xlu1@worldbank.org">Xuege Lu</a> at for
details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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