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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Ranyee, (and to all Stovers)<br>
<br>
Thank you for your reply and also thanks for all the hard work
done by you and the various committees. We know that the work is
not easy. And most of us (including guys like me) have chosen to
not be on those working groups, although we are aware that
individuals can still join them. <br>
<br>
We who are not on the committees hear of the current status of
standards, and attempt to present our stoves in light of those
standards. We always hear that the standards are not
finalized. But we do not know the degree of "finalization" that
exists.<br>
<br>
There is a vast difference between "finalization that is almost at
acceptance" and "finalization that is likely NOT to happen" for
some test or other. We simply do not know, but from my
perspective (based on my past experiences at numerous Stove Camps
and ETHOS meetings and elsewhere), the Tiers system and the WBT
have been perceived as "close to acceptance." But that seems
LESS certain now than in past months and years. Personally, I do
not like surprises, so I much prefer having the realities and
options out in the open.<br>
<br>
Related, but on a slightly different note, I have some concerns
about the stated importance of standards and the realities of
implementations of standards. At the GACC Cookstove Summit 4 days
ago, three statements struck me. One is the declaration that 20
million improved cookstoves have been accomplished / distributed
thus far (by 2014). We all applaud that accomplishment. <br>
<br>
The second statement was by Ben West who pointed out that most of
the improves stoves thus far have been at the Tier 1 and Tier 2
levels, with no major numbers (nor industrial production) of
stoves in Tiers 3 and 4. That appears to be true and needed to be
said, and repeated here.<br>
<br>
The third statement refers to the evident medical fact that even
the current definition of Tier 4 stoves will not accomplish the
desired health impacts, which can be attained by LPG and electric
stoves.<br>
<br>
Ouch!! We, the stoves community, are accomplishing our goals
while not accomplishing our goals. And we can ask whether or not
another 20 to 30 million stoves at Tiers 1 and 2 are on target or
not. And which targets? 100 million by 2020? or the health
impact to stop 4 million deaths per year? <br>
<br>
This is not an easy situation. To do nothing would be far worse.
To do only the near-perfect is not plausible. To do the best
we can is the only reasonable alternative. And there are
different opinions about what is "the best we can do." <br>
<br>
I want to say "thank you" to everyone who is working on
improvement of cooking stoves for those in need. Everyone
includes the donors, administrators, finance and business
management, production line, innovators, sales, and also the stove
users. We all have much work cut out for us to do!!!!<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
On 11/24/2014 7:30 AM, Ranyee Chiang wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">There is a
general summary of the meeting available here, and how the
outcomes of Guatemala fit with the overall progress: <a
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href="http://www.cleancookstoves.org/blog/progress-report-october-2014.html">http://www.cleancookstoves.org/blog/progress-report-october-2014.html</a>.
The detailed summaries of each Working Group’s discussion is
only available to Working Group members, since there are many
discussions and decisions that are in progress. Please see
this website for information about how to join the standards
process:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cleancookstoves.org/our-work/standards-and-testing/guidelines-and-standards/">http://www.cleancookstoves.org/our-work/standards-and-testing/guidelines-and-standards/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Regarding
laboratory testing, I also would like to provide a
clarification on some earlier responses to this thread.
Because the discussions are still ongoing, please be aware
that specific decisions have not been finalized. We do have
general agreement about the approach that we will take in
working together. There are no methods that have been
rejected. And there are no methods that have been accepted.
The general agreement is to work together and to take the best
components of test methods and develop a robust framework and
procedures for testing. In fact, I encourage people to look
at the vast commonalities that already exist among different
groups. There are far more similarities than there are
differences. We will also continue the discussion on how best
to communicate results to both technical and non-technical
audiences.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Ranyee<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>From:</b>
Paul Anderson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> November 21, 2014, 7:29:26 PM EST<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> <b>[Stoves] Guatemala meeting about tests and
standards</b><br>
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Stovers,<br>
<br>
There was a meeting about tests and standards of stoves in
Guatemala a month or so ago. Is there any summary
report? Or could those who were there make some comments,
please.<br>
<br>
I assume there is a list somewhere of who are on the ISO /
WBT / IWA / XYZ committee. And how many showed up?<br>
<br>
Nothing was said about this at the GACC 2 day meeting just
concluded, so I thought I would ask.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<br>
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