<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thanks Paul, Andrew and Eric for your suggestion: I am proceeding offline.<div>Richard</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 28, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Paul Anderson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Richard,<br>
<br>
As a personal friend of you and Crispin and Andrew and many
others, I request that you and everyone drop the subject of
climate and warming from the STOVES listserv. <br>
<br>
Everyone, please stick to the topics of stoves and fuels, but feel
free to invite anyone to debate with you privately or on other
listservs. <br>
<br>
I do not want to lose any of you from our Stoves Listserve.<br>
<br>
Thank you in advance.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
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On 11/27/2014 1:55 PM, Richard Stanley wrote:<br>
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<div>Quite apart from the substance of your well presented data
and rationale, I have to repeat Andrew Heggie's (somewhat)
admonsihment "TUT TUT", telling me to not dive into this subject
(after he offers a denier claim in same sentence) because it is
off topic…How about ti Andrew : Do you have a condecending "tut
tut" message about global climare change being ff topic for
Crispin as well, or is your admonishment reserved for those of
us who propose and accept climate change as anthropogenic in
nature and in need of direct and intensive action ?</div>
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<div>Richard</div>
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<div>On Nov 26, 2014, at 9:58 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Dear
Richard and AD and Jock and Yuri and Greg</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Richard, please note that
WB did not write that report, they reported what
the Potsdam Institute told them. The Potsdam
Institute is a well-known alarming organisation
that believes a lot in wealth<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/07/german-climate-adviser-who-says-the-wests-carbon-quotas-are-used-up-once-co-authored-a-paper-saying-climate-models-are-flawed/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">distribution</a>. Have a look at
any<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/12/glacially-modeled-snow-job/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">1</a>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/22/stefan-rahmstorf-on-sea-level-vs-reality-reality-wins/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">2</a>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/24/another-stephan-rahmstorf-sea-level-scare/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">3</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of their
publications. One of their most senior<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/13/german-skeptics-luning-and-vahrenholt-respond-to-criticism/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">scientists</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>recently
departed them saying what they were promoting was
load of hogwash. Who knew? He wrote a book about
it and has been vilified by the faithful for
climate apostasy.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">If you asked certain other
groups you would get the same answer. If you asked
still other groups, you would get a very different
answer.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">>It's
the continuing barrage of obviously unresearched,
un-vetted, backyard analyses like that below, which
keep plaguing me about your contention that we are
in fact cooling off, not warming up..<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">I am not convinced the
Earth is cooling. I am quite convinced we are not
warming at any rate that was predicted by general
circulation models of which there are more than
70. At the moment it is generally agreed that the
temperature is the same now (globally) as it was
18 years and 1 month ago. That is not ‘cooling’.
Well, I don’t think it is. I am sure you are aware
that 1/3 of all the CO2 mankind has ever emitted
was put into the air during that time. Where’s the
warming James Hansen promised us?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN">GISTEMP: 0.012 ±0.271
°C/decade (2σ)<br>
NOAA: -0.019 ±0.250 °C/decade
(2σ)<br>
HADCRUT4: -0.027 ±0.222 °C/decade (2σ)<br>
RSS: -0.060 ±0.325 °C/decade
(2σ)<br>
UAH: 0.056 ±0.327 °C/decade
(2σ)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN"> None of these are
statistically different from zero.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">AD></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: black; ">global warming and cooling
have occurred many times in the past. One cannot
just extrapolate the present warming trend into
the future.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">That's for sure. First you
can ask, ‘what warming trend?’<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Go to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://moyhu.blogspot.com.au/p/temperature-trend-viewer.html" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">http://moyhu.blogspot.com.au/p/temperature-trend-viewer.html</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and click
on the following settings:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Trend<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">1989-now<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">RSS.MSU (satellite read
temperatures read at 1000m altitude so as to avoid
ground-based issues like black roads and concrete)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Have a look at the
temperature plot. It is the anomaly (meaning
deviation from a baseline). As you can see the
temperature wiggles up and down but is the same as
it was in 1996.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">AD>The polar ice cap has
already melted to the extent of 50% and it will
disappear by 2020.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Actually it is growing
again. It has not yet melted as much as it did in
the early 1880’s nor even close to what it was
1000 years ago when the Vikings sailed around
Greenland. That is not possible today.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">AD>Evaporation of water
from the open sea has already started to cause
heavier snowfall in the circum-arctic region and
it would increase in the near future.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">The water content of the
atmosphere has been dropping at all the upper
levels (the opposite of the modeled result).<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span><img id="Picture_x0020_2" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" border="0" height="170" width="227" src="cid:part7.05090703.04070902@ilstu.edu"></span><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">The water vapour load at
the lower level is unchanged. When evaporation
increases in the tropics is creates more clouds
which cool the earth at a rate of several hundred
watts per sq m. The temperature in the Arctic has
not risen in summer for a long time. The winter
temperatures have gone up several degrees since
1850. There is a plot of the typical and current
temperatures at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/</a><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Look about 1/3 of the way
down the page for Arctic Temperature. Each year it
just rises above the melting point for a few
weeks.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Here is the Arctic
temperature chart for the past 30 years.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span><img id="Picture_x0020_1" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" border="0" height="213" width="378" src="cid:part9.03040809.09020604@ilstu.edu"></span><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">The 30 year trend us up,
the last decade or so, it is flat. In fact it is
the same now as it was in 1981 but why quibble.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">AD>The excess snow would
take longer to melt, resulting into cooling. I saw
a presentation by BBC in which the author claimed
that by the year 2050, the cities of Moscow,
London and New York would be buried uder snow,
because the snow would not melt and would go on
accumulating.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">This is the typical claim
of someone who is talking through their hat (not
AD, the person cited). The claim is global warming
will cause more<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/16/in-climate-world-up-is-down/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">snow and cold</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>leading to
cold. Good grief.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">JG><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>I'd
be looking at the Forbes article that advised<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I
advise that Forbes is not a good place to find
useful information about the earth climate system.
Neither is the New York Times, nor, sadly,
Scientific American.<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">RS>Please
tell us where these crackpots are wrong.<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">That is surprisingly easy.
But remember they just asked for a report from a
known hotbed of climate alarm. They lead the
charge in Europe, if you didn’t know. The WB
doesn’t have weather and climate experts. They
finance governments.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Climate alarmism (baked in
heat, rapid rise of sea levels, exponentially
increasing temperature of the earth as the CO2
goes up – all that and so much more) is based on
two fundamental assumptions:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt; "><span style="color: black; "><span>1.<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal
'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="color: black; ">That CO2 increases the
temperature of the earth and drives additional
warming by increasing the water vapour content of
the atmosphere.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt; "><span style="color: black; "><span>2.<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal
'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="color: black; ">That the rise in
temperature from 1976 to 1996 was cause by
Industrial Output of CO<sub>2</sub><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>driving
just such a mechanism.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: 36pt; "><span style="color: black; ">Dealing
with them in that order:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt; "><span style="color: black; "><span>1.<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal
'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="color: black; ">CO2 is a greenhouse gas in
the regular sense of the meaning. No one (not
scientific people anyway) believes that CO2 by
itself will increase the temperature more than
about 1 degree per doubling from 400 to 800 ppm.
The fact that there is not enough carbonaceous
fuels in the world to bring it up to 800 ppm is a
topic better avoided because we don’t want to
spoil the party, but there you are: CO2<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>could</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>increase
the temperature, by itself, by perhaps 1 degree C
overall if you could find<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ujdigispace.uj.ac.za/handle/10210/3094" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">enough to burn</a>. That is the
theory and it is based on physics that deal with
IR radiative gases.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">The ‘increase’ above that 1
degree is supposed to come from additional water
vapour. Water vapour is a much more powerful
greenhouse gas than CO2 and covers the same
absorption range (larger, actually). That is also
a physical fact. The problem is, the water vapour
content has not been rising with the CO2 content,
undermining the central claim that it will. The
models are programmed as if the water vapour will
rise, but it doesn’t .The reason is obvious: if
the water vapour content goes up, it starts to
rain. Before that, it creates clouds which have a
strong cooling effect. The models are contradicted
by reality. When there is a conflict between
models and reality, it is not reality that is
wrong. This has not stopped people from claiming
that the models are right and the measurements are
defective. Even millions of contradicting
measurements are not enough to convince them
otherwise. Climate models are the WBT’s of
weather.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
text-indent: -18pt; "><span style="color: black; "><span>2.<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal
'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="color: black; ">The temperature rise from
1976 to 1996 was notable. It was not as notable as
the steeper and faster rise in temperature from
1920 to 1940. Nor was it as rapid as the rise in
the 1880’s. Nor was it as rapid as the rise in the
1700’s which was the fastest ever recorded. None
of these rises seem to have had anything to do
with CO2, industrial or otherwise. On a long
timescale, CO2 rise follows temperature rise by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/23/new-research-in-antarctica-shows-co2-follows-temperature-by-a-few-hundred-years-at-most/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">hundreds</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of years.
As the CO2 concentration has gone up some, there
should be at least a bit if warming due to it, but
so far it is not separable from the background
variation, which is substantial. A constant global
temperature is very atypical. The climate is
always changing.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Yuri wrote:</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Climate
change is the normal state of the earth. It was
cooling and warming.<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">This is correct. Not that
it is very exciting news. We have been
experiencing 60 year-long cycles of temperature
change for quite some time, with a long term
gentle rise. The unusual things about the last 30
years (which should have been ‘up’) is that it
only went up for 20 years. It should have been 30.
This change from up is called ‘the pause’. It is
widely acknowledged. There are more than 50
official explanations for it, all involving some
sort of ‘investment of heat’ in the Earth system,
somehow. In fact there is no proof of any
accumulating heat – just claims that it must be in
there somewhere and model outputs based on that
assumption.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">JG><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Folks,
it is not about warming and cooling. It is about
disruption of patterns we have taken for granted for
a very long time.<span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>So
the question is really about the new patterns that
are, or will, emerge. And of course it would be
useful to know what is driving the disruption, just
in case we might want to limit it.<span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Well, what exactly is the
‘pattern’ that is being disrupted? There is no
reason to expect that the weather is anything
other than what is has always been – variable with
big storms now and then. Why has the warming by
models been so spectacularly<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/05/statistical-proof-of-the-pause-overestimated-global-warming-over-the-past-20-years/#more-93133" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">wrong</a>?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">The move away from ‘global
warming’ happened after it was embarrassingly
clear (by 2005) that the temperatures were not
going up. First there was ‘climate change’ which
everyone knew meant ‘global warming’. Then
‘climate disruption’ implying that mankind was
‘disrupting the weather’ again by implication,
caused by ‘global warming’ that insiders knew was
not really there. Then came ‘climate weirding’
which had a very short shelf life. The implication
again was that ‘we are doing something bad to the
climate’ and all storms are ‘our fault’. This is
reminiscent of the German ‘weather witch’ trials
of the 1620’s. Seriously. They executed more than
2000 ‘witches’ for causing the disruptive and
unusual weather than plagued Europe in the 1600’s.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Everyone should read this.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/reprint/a_chronological_listing_of_early_weather_events.html" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/reprint/a_chronological_listing_of_early_weather_events.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Have a look at what has
been recorded in history without ‘industrial CO2’.
There is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>nothing</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>happening
at the moment that even comes close to the extreme
natural weather events we have already survived.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">“The winter of
401 [AD] was very cold in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT, sans-serif; ">Asia
Minor</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">.
The<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT, sans-serif; ">Black
Sea<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">froze over and
there was sea ice near Constantinople.” “In the
year 401, the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT, sans-serif; ">Black
Sea<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">was frozen over
for twenty days, and men crossed from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT, sans-serif; ">Asia
Minor<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">to the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT, sans-serif; ">Crimea</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">.”<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">“During the
autumn of 585 A.D. and the winter of 585-586 A.D.
[in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT, sans-serif; ">France</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">], the weather
produced extreme sweetness. The trees bloomed
again in September and again before Christmas and
bore fruit.”<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT, sans-serif; ">Winter of
760 / 761 A.D.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">In the year 761
according to the Helgoländer Chronik (of Helgoland
and Norddeutschland in northern<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT, sans-serif; ">Germany</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">], the winter was
very severe. It began in October when the open sea
and large lakes were clogged with ice for many
miles. More than 20 Ellen<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="background-image: initial;
background-attachment: initial;
background-origin: initial; background-clip:
initial; background-color: yellow;
background-position: initial initial;
background-repeat: initial initial; ">[46 feet,
14 meters] of snow fell</span>. In the following
February, the ice broke with the most incredible
bang, that could be conceived on heaven or earth.
Some of the icebergs were as tall as trees. They
were 31 Ellen [71 feet, 22 meters]<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">thick.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">“In 825 there was
a fall of huge hail [in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT, sans-serif; ">France</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">]. A piece of ice
fell that was 15 feet long by 6 feet wide.”
“…lightning set fire to a multitude of buildings
and killed many people and huge hail ravaged the
countryside in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT, sans-serif; ">France</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">. In addition,
all historians assure, that we dare not believe
without the unanimity of their testimony, that by
the summer solstice [around 20 or 21 June] in
Autun in the region of Burgundy,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT, sans-serif; ">France</span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif; ">, was seen
falling from the sky, following a sudden storm and
amidst a terrible hailstorm, real ice blocks (we
are sure of these measures) of 4.6 meters (15
feet) long by 1.8 meters (6 feet) wide and 0.6
meters (2 feet) thick.”<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0mm;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT, sans-serif;
"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Can you imagine the hue and
cry about ‘climate change’ that would emerge on TV
if blocks of ice 15 x 6 x 2 feet (6.4 tons)
started falling from the sky in Europe?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Be sure that nothing,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>nothing</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>happening
today is in the slightest way unusual,
unprecedented, ‘worst evah’ or any other
superlative. Even sea level isn’t nearly as high
as it used to be many years ago. Selling the alarm
entirely depends on people’s ignorance of climate
history – something called ‘<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/16/new-term-grubering-and-how-it-applies-to-climate-alarmism/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">Grubering’</a>. “Grubering is when
politicians or their segregates engage in a
campaign of exaggeration and outright lies in
order to “sell” the public on a particular<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/13/why-and-how-the-ipcc-demonized-co2-with-manufactured-information/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">policy</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>initiative.”<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">So the idea that the
climate has 1.5 degrees of ‘baked in’ warming, is
the output of a climate model with 1.5 degrees
baked into the computer code.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Quelle
surprise.</i><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">“<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/16/new-term-grubering-and-how-it-applies-to-climate-alarmism/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; ">The</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Climategate
emails are full of discussions about how to “sell”
the public on CAGW through a campaign of lies and
exaggerations. There are many discussion about
how the public could not possibly understand such
a complex subject.”<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Unless they bothered to
read enough to understand the complex subject.
Imagine that.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; ">“</span><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; " lang="EN">Each of us has to decide
what the right balance is between being
effective and being honest.”<o:p></o:p></span></i></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 36pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; " lang="EN">–<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; " lang="EN">Steven Schneider</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Yeah, well, I have made my
decision about that.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Yuri: “</span>All emissions
can add 0.01% of CO2 per year to what exists in
nature.”<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ron:
“Correct ratio - but not helpful, useful, or
important in climate terms… The organization <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://350.org/" style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration:
underline; "><span style="color: windowtext;
text-decoration: none; ">350.org</span></a> is
suggesting that we need to remove 50 ppm from the
atmosphere ... But this would then give 2/50 = .04
or 4% worse very year.”<o:p></o:p></div>
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0mm; margin-right: 0mm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">So Yuri being correct is
not useful or helpful? Useful to whom? Useful for
being ‘honest’ or being ‘effective’? You have
turned his correct calculation of 0.01% into 4%.
Why? Your number is a 40,000% error!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="hps"><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); " lang="RU">лучше
быть и останец чем простой лжец</span></span><span class="shorttext"><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); " lang="RU"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Peace…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; ">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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