<div dir="ltr">Hi Huck,<div><br></div><div>I agree about chimneys. For protecting health a functional chimney seems to me to be big help. Lots of factors, though, in a stove that will be sold.</div><div><br></div><div>All of the new stoves will be at ETHOS. They are in field testing now and we expect big changes as the cooking function of the stove is improved.</div><div><br></div><div>Once the stoves are nearer completion there will be an open source description of all the techniques/stoves including CAD drawings. So great to have DOE support that has enabled a deeper investigation both in the lab and field.</div><div><br></div><div>The price will be determined in 2015. I sure hope that it will be around $10-$12 wholesale because I don't think that an above $20 retail price will capture a significant market share. We're paying attention to retail price in the field tests.</div><div><br></div><div>The stoves will be tested by third parties after completion. Our tests look clean.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Dean<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Huck Rorick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:huckrorick@groundwork.org" target="_blank">huckrorick@groundwork.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Paul, Dean & List,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I was especially interested in the sunken pot rocket stove because it incorporates a chimney. It looks a lot like some of the ways we are trying to incorporate a chimney with the Champion or other TLUDs for our project in Cameroon. From my viewpoint a chimney is essential to a wood burning stove, even when it is “super clean”. In California hoods are required for natural gas stoves.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Are the details of these stoves something that Aprovecho wants to keep private?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m frustrated with the fairly common description as “super clean”. It seems like every manufacturer says that about their stoves. It would be nice to have some more exact measurement (and I guess there is a lot of debate about what the measures should be).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Anything about costs?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Huck<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="14a2c436500c0acf__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Paul Anderson [mailto:<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 6, 2014 5:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> Aprovecho Research Center; Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Doc Anderson<br><b>Subject:</b> [Stoves] COMPULSORY VIEWING!!! link from Re: The Aprovecho Newsletter - December 5th, 2014<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Stovers, <br><br>Absolutely interesting and important is the just-released 8-minute video from Aprovecho. Especially the final 2 minutes (starts at 5:50) need to be seen by all serious stove developers. There ....<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">...... ARC unveils five new super clean-burning cookstove prototypes that will be considered for mass production in 2015.<br><br>Please watch on YouTube at:<br><a href="http://aprovecho.us3.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=6024c1562ffc2660833c676cf&id=52a7754d34&e=c1a3b0800a" target="_blank"><span style="color:#6dc6dd">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e2_jSGIadk&feature=youtu.be</span></a><br> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">This is the first time these stoves have been openly shown, even though showing only a few seconds each. Of exceptional note is the natural draft TLUD-ND stove designed by Kirk Harris!!!<br><br>One error (a very common misconception) is in the video at 6:46 concerning the Aprovecho "Top Loaded Forced Air stove", putting it into a category with forced air TLUD stoves, saying that the "TLUD-FA design [that] is used in the Philips, BP, and Biolite stoves." These four stoves use the migratory pyrolytic front (MPF) of the TLUD technology only at the beginning of burning, and then the fire is in the bottom (bottom burning with additional fuel added on top, as in standard (not MPF) up-draft gasifiers) with forced primary air blowing onto the charcoal located there, creating forge temperatures that require special materials (ceramics, cast iron, special metals) to avoid fast damage to the fuel chamber. We do not know yet what is inside the fuel chamber of the Aprovecho "Top Loaded Forced Air stove". These are cost factors.<br><br>This is all great progress!!!. Congratulations Aprovecho!!!! <br><br>We will want to be comparing the cost of manufacture (or the sales price) of all of these stoves. And the announced field trials of these 5 stoves in 6 countries will be of great interest. <br><br>The first 6 minutes shows the sophistication of mass production of SSM company in China. In the world of cookstoves, this is big business.<br><br>And we will see these 5 stoves (among others) at the ETHOS meeting 23-25 January 2015 in Seattle area.<br><br>Enjoy!!<br><br>Paul<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD <u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> <u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: <a href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a><u></u><u></u></pre><pre>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><u></u><u></u></pre><p class="MsoNormal">On 12/5/2014 6:43 PM, Aprovecho Research Center wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Additionally, ARC unveils five new super clean-burning cookstove prototypes that will be considered for mass production in 2015.<br><br>Please watch on YouTube at:<br><a href="http://aprovecho.us3.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=6024c1562ffc2660833c676cf&id=52a7754d34&e=c1a3b0800a" target="_blank"><span style="color:#6dc6dd">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e2_jSGIadk&feature=youtu.be</span></a><br> <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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