<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Julien and stovers,<div><br></div><div>I just pick out of the points (__they are all important !__) only the first point, you wrote Julien:</div><div><br></div><div>"1) Establish an on-line library on the basics of combustion science with</div>topics on buoyance, turbulence, gas combustion, and reaction kinetics,<br>etc.."<div><br></div><div>I underline it and add the importance of thumb-basics with combustion science background and naturally not to forget practice-proved knowledge/findings.</div><div><br></div><div>e.g. knowledge of temperature rating by sight of the glow-color; as Tom Reed a lot of time referred to the stoves-list. </div><div>Or Lanny Henson's remark, that at least 4 sticks are necessary for a successful fire in a burning-chamber. </div><div>Or Crispin's remark that 40 cm is often sufficient for an acceptable working chimney.</div><div>Or Andrew Heggie's remark that different climates need different constructed stoves, due to the surrounding influence (humidity, level above sea, -besides the normally respected different available fuels)</div><div>Those are few examples for a lot of a small seeds for my brain. Or such was sometimes the "yeah! " of what I was thinking or feeling since before.</div><div>Let us collect those precious simple tesserae, and bring them in a form to find and re-find them easily and to be aware of.</div><div>But at first we should discuss systems how to manage that;</div><div> -meanwhile collecting privately self- important-(felt)-found simple thumb-facts with related key-words.</div><div>I guess a searchable PDF-file would be helpful and simple. </div><div><br></div><div>By time the stoves list would be a great treasure, - when it was a, by key-words, searchable archive up to the beginning!?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div>Martin</div><div><br></div><div>Referring to parts of:</div><div>Message: 5<br>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:07:01 -0500<br>From: Julien Winter <<a href="mailto:winter.julien@gmail.com">winter.julien@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>Subject: [Stoves] Reports from ETHOS meetings: the future of TLUD<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>research</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>There are a few things that I think would be helpful.<br>1) Establish an on-line library on the basics of combustion science with<br>topics on buoyance, turbulence, gas combustion, and reaction kinetics,<br>etc.. Tutorials on instrumentation and measurement and calibration are<br>vital to make sure that good quality observations and interpretations are<br>made. The basics of how to run an experiment are also important.<br>Understanding the social science of cookstove use and dissemination is<br>vital.<br>2) Provide access to academic papers behind the pay-wall:<br>2a) Pay journals to make some key articles open access.<br>2b) Allow developers to apply for funding for a membership to a university<br>library.<br>3) Have a source of funding which innovators can submit proposals to<br>get basic gear such as thermocouples and CO meters.<br>4) Establish good lines of communication and mentoring between combustion<br>scientist at universities and field researchers.<br>5) Provide mentoring and a means for them to publish their findings. The<br>Journal of Humanitarian Engineering is a good example.<br>6) Help fund travel to present their finds at conferences like ETHOS.<br><br>There are just a few ideas. I think that this kind of support would have a<br>huge impact for stove developers in countries where the stoves are to be<br>used. For information exchange, "Dr. TLUD" and bioenergylists are already<br>very helpful.<br><br>Above, I have focused on science and technology. However, a similar<br>argument could be made for social science, and it is vital that workers<br>from different disciplines have a basic understanding of whole picture.<br><br>I come to stoves from the agricultural sciences. We have a saying: "every<br>farm should be an experimental farm." In other words, science should not<br>be just top-down from institutions, but should also be bottom-up.<br><br>Thanks again for your vote of encouragement, Alex. One of these days, I<br>should make a trip out the Burt's Greenhouses.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Julien.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>