<html><head></head><body dir="auto" data-blackberry-caret-color="#00a8df" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Alright, Alright, Alright G! Go for it. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Do not see through the eyes of another nor hear through another's ears. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I come from the age when there were only three methods of sharing information quickly: </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Telegram</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Telephone</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Tell a woman</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">That is what we learned, anyway. Turns out men also talk a lot. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">When I was 7 my class teacher had us do what in the US is called Chinese Whispers but which we called something completely different. It involved the first student being told a phrase by the teacher and that student whispering it into the ear of the second, the second whispering it into the ear of the third and so on. Maybe this audience will recognise the game. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The final content of the message went from a recognisable popular phrase to 'Mummy' by the time it got to the end of the line. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">These days we have the wonderful WWWeb and it is the most effective channel for whispers ever devised. It also places at one's disposal for the first (for most people) the vast literature of great libraries. The only requirement to be able to use it effectively are a good memory and the ability to think. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">The combination of bias in the media, economic opportunism, easy access, poor memories and untrained minds provides the most extraordinary opportunity to make money or have 'influence' over those who have little capacity for critical thought. We used to call it 'primary school' but now it is called 'social media' I think. Much more powerful. I blame it (perhaps incorrectly - must check) for people knowing more about the Kardashian's lipstick colour than the difference between 'accuracy' and 'precision'. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I am not have merely an "</span><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"></span><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">iconoclastic perspective on many environmental phenomena". I have an</span><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"> </span><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">iconoclastic perspective on my own existence! Being naturally sceptical requires thinking outside the box in order to examine the whole box, as far as one is able. Science innovation comes from outside the box. Stove innovation comes from outside the box. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">Stove testing innovation comes from thinking outside the power station testing box, for example. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">There are so many wonderful urban legends that there are websites devoted to them. Step on a crack, break your mother's back. There are canals on Mars. Genes cannot jump from one chromosome to another. A 'learned trait' cannot be passed on genetically to your children. Continents cannot move. Vinegar will protect you from SARS. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">The history of science is the history of the debunking of science, basically. It is not the in-filling of gaps. All gaps are pre-filled with guesses from someone. Have you heard of a Wild-Assed Guess? (WAG) there are SWAGs too, which is a Scientific Wild-Assed Guess. If you have ever lived in a 'primitive culture' (according to your own cultural bias) you will have encountered WAGs about 'how things work'. Trying to correct one WAG with a 'fact' or SWAG means displacing an existing truth, not filling in a gap in the knowledge base. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">In terms of stove development (nominally the purpose of this discussion group) there is in play at the moment one of the greatest SWAG games ever on the subject of combustion which is the development of TLUD stoves. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">Don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with it, and it is a lot of fun, and it is leading somewhere, but it is what it is. Not since the period 1680-1750 has there been so much raw experimentation on a novel thought applied to burning things. In the early 1700's it was the application of the concept of downdraft combustion to burning coal (an upsidedown TLUD) that ultimately led to the Franklin Stove as it's most popular and enduring implementation. It still hasn't caught on in the Masonry Heater movement 250 years later which is not to our credit. At some point the small gasifier movement will settle on a commercially viable approach people are willing to pay for from their own pocket. That's good. Hang in there. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">I have to end this message sometime so I will jump to the topic-du-jour which is testing stoves and test protocols and how we can tell if 'my stove is better'. That is something everyone wants to know. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">Stove testing protocols are replete with examples of SWAGs. Sometimes there is a recognisable history behind them and sometimes not. Fundamentally the cause of most conceptual errors are caused by the difference between testing something operating at full power under constant conditions (a power station) and 'rating' the performance of a stove that starts, runs and stops while burning an inhomogeneous solid fuel. The methods of the former are incompatible with the realities of the latter. You get a number, which looks sciency and all, but it carries little to no information. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">It is an urban legend is that a number automatically contains information. Another way of saying it is that all numerical values have real value. In fact all numbers represent things and somethings the thing it represents is a mistake or misunderstanding, not information. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">Let me make this very topical. One of the biggest mistakes in stove testing is the concept that 'simmering' has a 'thermal efficiency'. This is flawed from the get-go as any thermo engineer could immediately tell you because simmering is a task that does not require a change in total energy content (enthalpy). </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">It was written OUT of stove tests by the Eindhoven Group by 1982 because they were PhD engineers teaching in University (Profs KK Prasad and P Verhaart). It was reintroduced in 1985 in the VITA WBT over the objections of the Eindhoven Group. It is still there. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">It was criticised by Rani et al in 1991 and indirectly by Aprovecho and Berkeley in 2003. It was again included in WBT3.x. It was heartily criticised by me in 2007 and repeated in WBT4.8 over my objections, and incorporated into the IWA, again over my written objections in 2011 and my loud mouth in 2012. It was criticised in a Journal article by Yixiang Zhang et al in 2014. No one even published an article supporting it, it is 'just there'. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">It is still contained in WBT4.2.3, the AWBT, the EPTP, and other variations originating from the West. It was used as recently as a few weeks ago on this list to declare the performance of stove A being the best of a bunch when rated using this concept. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">It is not that I AM RIGHT!! It is that THIS CONCEPT IS WRONG!! And we have to debunk it. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; line-height: initial;">Urban legends have faithful followers and they will shoot the messenger just like anyone else. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br name="BB10" caretmarkerset="INVALID" class="markedForCaretMarkerRemoval"></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">It is not outwardly included in the Indian, Chinese or European 'national' testing methods. It is not used in Mongolia, South Africa or Indonesia in their stove projects or regulations (not that I know of anyway). I very much doubt the Russians would allow it to creep into their methods as their theoretical foundations are usually excellent though we still can find mistakes. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Part of my paid work is to remove misconceptions from test methods which always means displacing existing gap-fillers, previously viewed as 'information'. Sometimes these gaps are hard to spot. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Yixiang Zhang and David Beritault and James Robinson have all spotted gaps in my own SeTAR HTP methodology and I found one last year in the Chinese National Test method. India's test has several. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">What to do? Continuous review by other sets of eyes seems to be the only way to make solid progress. That way the urban legends eventually die off. Some messengers will get shot, some defenders of their personal Alamo will go down in glory, some Napoleon's will unexpectedly meet their Waterloo. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="line-height: initial; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br name="BB10" caretmarkerset="INVALID" class="markedForCaretMarkerRemoval"></span><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); line-height: initial; font-size: initial; text-align: initial;"> "...mercury emissions are so prevalent that even the most pristine Scottish stream has Mercury contaminated salmon."</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); line-height: initial; font-size: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); line-height: initial; font-size: initial; text-align: initial;">If salmon had no mercury at all in them their brains would not work properly and they would get lost and never find their way home to be caught in the first place. All life evolved on earth in an environment with low levels of mercury and radiation. And a Lot Of Other Things. </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); line-height: initial; font-size: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); line-height: initial; font-size: initial; text-align: initial;">Regards </span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); line-height: initial; font-size: initial; text-align: initial;">Crispin in rain-soaked Jakarta (450mm since Sunday)</span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); line-height: initial; font-size: initial; text-align: initial;"><br></span></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); line-height: initial; font-size: initial; text-align: initial;"><br name="BB10" caretmarkerset="INVALID" class="markedForCaretMarkerRemoval"></span></div><br><style>
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