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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL-BE link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Christa,Andrew and All<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Pressure cookers DESTROY the essencial amino acids in proteins !!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They contain SULFUR ! Our body needs 800 gram SULFUR stored !!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> NO PRESSURE Steam cookers are ideal and not mentioned .i<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Invented in China over 3000 year ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>India have the BEST ! See the Dr Anand Karve web. TLUD no pressure steam cooker gasifier .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Chinese electro version cost 70$ made of polycarbonate in 3 levels 9Liter space 800 watt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cooks all in 1/2 hour . use 0,4 KWh for 0,1 $ for 2 meals equal 0,05$/meal CLEEN preparation energy .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> But…..We need your URANIUM to make that electro !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You can make it with woodgass and el. generators .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Think , a car alternator delivers 800 watts 12Volt x -70 amps good for a 12V( or 24 V) steamcooker .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The heating element is NiCr wire with Al2O3 insulation in a 30x30 Alu rot .for the 230 Volt type <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Frans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Van:</span></b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>Namens </b>CHRISTA ROTH<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zaterdag 2 mei 2015 23:03<br><b>Aan:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Stoves] haybox cooking<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Andrew, and other stovers,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> there is an entire chapter on retained heat cooking on the GIZ HERA cooking energy compendium <a href="https://energypedia.info/wiki/General_Kitchen_Management_Practices#Heat_Retainers:_Keep_cool.2C_stay_hot">https://energypedia.info/wiki/General_Kitchen_Management_Practices#Heat_Retainers:_Keep_cool.2C_stay_hot</a> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On the bottom of the page there are more links and further references, e.g. to the document I co-wrote already 10 years ago on <b>Retained heat cooker: "Fireless cooker" or "Foodwarmer"</b><br>An illustrated step-by-step description from Malawi showing how to build a food warmer/fireless cooker using materials that were abundantly available where we lived: a basket (e.g. old storage basket), cloth (that can be washed for hygienic reasons) and dried banana leaves. Cooking times for local dishes are included.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://energypedia.info/index.php?title=File:GTZ_4a_FS_fireless_cooker_2010.pdf&page=1">https://energypedia.info/index.php?title=File:GTZ_4a_FS_fireless_cooker_2010.pdf&page=1</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My parents grew up with home-made fireless cookers during WWII out of necessity. They used the duvets and blankets to wrap the pots. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is a nice document on the history on <a href="http://www.thehotboxco.co.za/history.html">http://www.thehotboxco.co.za/history.html</a> . The site also has some recipes. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The South African 'hotbox' is still my favorite device that also makes a really good travel pillow: some might have seen me travelling with one since I got some in 2008 from Natasha Cowie before she sold the business to the current owners.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Christa<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Am 02.05.2015 um 11:10 schrieb <a href="mailto:clamshell@iinet.net.au">clamshell@iinet.net.au</a>:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hey, stovers,<br><br>There is a good reason why beans are traditionally soaked: they contain anti-nutrients such as oligosaccharides, phytic acid and enzyme inhibitors. They are disabled by soaking, and then appear as skum on top of the beans when they are first heated: scoop the scum off before continuing the cooking. Eating beans that were not soaked can give you a grievous stomach ache, heartburn, reflux and gas.<br><br>Soaked beans also cook quicker than non-soaked beans. Do your gut a favour and always soak beans before cooking!<br><br>Cheers,<br>Pat<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 1 May 2015, at 16:14, <a href="mailto:ajheggie@gmail.com">ajheggie@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br><br>[Default] On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 14:20:58 -0400,Crispin Pemberton-Pigott<br><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If you grind the beans into the size of about 1/3 of a rice grain and add them to water that is already boiling, they don't taste 'beany'. This works for Soybeans as well.<br><br>It has to do with raising the temperature, right through, very rapidly. ?It breaks down the chemical that tastes of beans. If you mix them with something else, like maize flour, they take on the taste of the maize.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>I don't mind the taste of beans, just find them a bit bland. Still the<br>experiment is worth trying. Would grinding them in a meat mincer<br>comminute them well enough? 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