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Jed,<br>
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Congratulations!!! well done. Those of us who have not
developed skills for working with clay need people like you with
those skills. Some observations:<br>
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1. You wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><span lang="en-US"><i>One set of meal for a
person of six require about 2 kg.<span> </span>of<span>
canarium</span> shells at a cost of Php 8 per meal or Php 24
daily. After each day, about 1.5 kg of char may be harvested
and this has a market value of Php 37.50 !!</i> </span><span
style="font-family:"Agency FB";font-weight:bold"
lang="en-US">Thus a net of Php 13.50 daily. </span>
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Pro";font-weight:bold" lang="en-US"></span></blockquote>
Only 0.5 kg weight loss??? And that is only 25% of the original
weight of the fuel??? Something seems to not be correct. Please
verify.<br>
<br>
2. Your description indicates that you are trying to save the
created char (whatever amount is still there after the cooking is
finished) by blocking off the air inlets. It would be better (IMO)
if you simply pulled out the remaining char to be quenched in a
bucket with some water or in a truly air-tight container or
smothered with sand that also cools the char to where it will not be
char-gasifying with the surrounding air. But do not leave the
created char in the stove. That is asking too much from the stove
that has done a wonderful job for cooking, but it is not designed
for extinguishing charcoal. The very smallest amount of incoming
air will sustain the char-gasification and consume your char.<br>
<br>
3. Your method of operation is correct for adding raw fuel on top
of the charcoal that was created. The HEAT FROM BELOW is
pyrolyzing the new fuel (and without any migratory pyrolytic front
(MPF)), with the gases rising up and getting to the incoming
secondary air for combustion as the cooking fire. You are
correctly NOT trying to cook with the charcoal as the source of
cooking heat. Your method correctly utilizes the height of the
riser (internal chimney below the pot). <br>
<br>
[[[ <b><u>IF </u></b>the cooking is to be done by the charcoal,
the pot should be placed very close to the burning char, and no new
raw biomass fuel would be added. That way of cooking is with the
TChar concept (described at my website for those who do not know
this method) which does NOT allow adding more raw biomass during the
charcoal-stove stage of cooking. ]]]<br>
<br>
4. Your stove does have two stages or phases of making heat. The
first stage is TLUD, but I think that it is incorrect to say that
the second stage that is running as a Rocket stove. It does not
seem to have a shelf for the fuel with air entering under the
burning tips of the inserted fuel. <br>
<br>
What you have is (first stage) a TLUD stove with a MPF, and then
(second stage) a bottom-burning heat source that pyrolyzes the fresh
fuel that is placed upon the column of created charcoal, which is a
form of bottom-burning up-draft. That might be called BBUD, but
that acronym is not well established. It is not a bottom-LIT.
It was lit at the top and the fire reached the bottom and then
burning continues at the bottom, but with LIMITED primary air (which
is a gasifier characteristic.). (I have written some about this in
the "Micro-gasification Terminology...." document at my website:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a> (see Quick Picks listing to find the document.)
<br>
<br>
It is important to understand what is actually happening in your
stove. I think what you are doing will become increasingly common
as TLUD stoves are created with interiors (grates, walls, etc.) that
can withstand the high heat of char-gasification that is so
destructive to metal. YOUR stove greatly overcomes that problem by
having a ceramic interior. Again, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/5/2015 9:53 AM, Joshua Guinto
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My goal is to have a stove that can be manufactured by
village artisanal workshops with a regulatory entity that
ensures the quality and safety. I also hope that there would
be a social enterprise that would support the purchase of
the stoves in favor of the struggling food entrepreneur.
Finally i would hope that the food business sector will
eventually shift towards the use of sustainable fuel
supplies and then help regenerate our denuded forests, farms
and gardens. <br>
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There is still a long way to go and there are so much that are
still a lot unknown. Thanks for all the questions. I will use
them as guideposts towards these discoveries.<br>
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Regards<br>
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B. Guinto<br>
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style="font-family:garamond,serif">Specialist,
Appropriate Technology<br>
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<span style="font-family:garamond,serif">MSc
Management of AgroEcological Knowledge and Social
Change (MAKS)<br>
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<span style="font-family:garamond,serif">Wageningen
University, The Netherlands</span> <span
style="font-family:garamond,serif">2006 to 2008</span><b><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-06-05 22:27 GMT+08:00 <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Pro',sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Bravo
on all fronts. Assuming you can get efficiency up and
emissions down so that the stove performs well on
standard tests and equally well under real conditions of
use outside the lab, now the operator, socio-economic,
cultural, and environmental performance assessment
begins: do we know who your PPBricStove is to be used
by? Who will fork over the money to buy it after the
performance settles down? Can it be modularized and mass
produced or mass crafted in small workshops? Will it fly
off out of the store or market stall without subsidy?
Does it function well enough to be welcomed into most
kitchens in your area and also by small scale commercial
food vendors and small scale home 'industrialists"? Can
it compete head to head woith well established
traditional stoves?</div>
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<div><b>Reply To: </b>Discussion of biomass
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<div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Patong Patong
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<div>Dear Crispin<br>
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Thanks for the compliments. <br>
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About the pot rest, its still early to tell as
the stove is just a few weeks old. But that
will be a good point of observation, that is
if it gets coated with sooth or the sooth gets
burned all the way. <br>
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I would like to promote the char making
mechanism of this stove for several reasons. <br>
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First is the charcoal here at my locality is more
expensive than raw fuel. Canarium yields a premium
kind of charcoal. The following is my quick
computation of the local market prices of fuel and
charcoal: <br>
<br>
<p><span lang="en-US"><i>One set of meal for a
person of six require about 2 kg.<span> </span>of<span>
canarium</span> shells at a cost of Php 8
per meal or Php 24 daily. After each day,
about 1.5 kg of char may be harvested and
this has a market value of Php 37.50 !!</i>
</span><span style="font-family:"Agency
FB";font-weight:bold" lang="en-US">Thus a
net of Php 13.50 daily. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8pt;font-family:"Adobe
Garamond Pro";font-weight:bold"
lang="en-US">Retail stores sell charcoal at
Php 10 per 400 gram packets. A family consumes
at least 3 packets daily or at least Php 30
daily for wood charcoal for their meals. <br>
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Another reason is because the
char from gasification is of higher quality
(porosity) than charcoal produced from
conventional earth kilns. As an independent
consultant, I am actively involved in waste
management and urban gardening campaigns at
disaster prone communities here in the
Philippines. Stoves, bio char, waste management,
sanitation and gardening comes tightly
altogether. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards</p>
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Appropriate Technology<br>
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to 2008</span><b><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-06-05 9:43 GMT+08:00
Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Joshua</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
congratulate you on incorporating
multiple innovations on the stove. I
really like the use of a handful of
sand (or grog) as an air controller.
Usually available everywhere!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
pot rest looks really strong. Does it
get coated with soot?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
am wondering why you are creating
charcoal instead of optimising the
operating cost. The fuel is purchased
and the cost of operation would be
reduced if you burned the all fuel
purchased. Does anyone want to buy the
charcoal from this process?</span></p>
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Crispin in Java</span></p>
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Dr. Paul, Dean, Ron, Art,
Anders, Kirk, JJ, Jon,
Richard, and Everyone<br>
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I hereby share with you the
second stage of my work on
the brick stove
gasifier/carbonizer. It
began from the lessons i
learned during the 2014
Stove Camp at Aprovecho.
where i learned how to
overcome the limitations of
the holey roket i built. It
was then when i realized the
low firepower of the stove,
the difficulty of feeding
the fuel and the fragility
during transport.<br>
<br>
Please see <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://drive.google.com/drive/my-drive"
target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/drive/my-drive</a><br>
<br>
From November 2014 until
now, i tinkered with so many
fronts:preparing the best
clay recipe, pulling in
secondary air, making the
shape and size of each
bricks, creating the moulds,
designing the fuel ports,
the air controls, the metal
shell, the pot rest,
harvesting the char etc.<br>
<br>
I hereby share with you all
my work in the attached
photo narrative. At the same
time i would like to solicit
more comments on how to
improve further, Also i
would like to find support
to have this stove model
tested in the laboratory.<br>
<br>
A smaller model for the
kitchen in now underway on a
test manufacturing mode.<br>
<br>
Kind regards to everyone.<br>
<br>
Jed<br>
<br>
<br>
Joshua B. GuintoSpecialist,
Appropriate Technology<br>
MSc Management of
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