<html><head></head><body style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Bravo on all fronts. Assuming you can get efficiency up and emissions down so that the stove performs well on standard tests and equally well under real conditions of use outside the lab, now the operator, socio-economic, cultural, and environmental performance assessment begins: do we know who your PPBricStove is to be used by? Who will fork over the money to buy it after the performance settles down? Can it be modularized and mass produced or mass crafted in small workshops? Will it fly off out of the store or market stall without subsidy? Does it function well enough to be welcomed into most kitchens in your area and also by small scale commercial food vendors‎ and small scale home 'industrialists"? Can it compete head to head woith well established traditional stoves?</div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br style="display:initial"></div> <div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Joshua Guinto</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Friday, June 5, 2015 7:53 AM</div><div><b>To: </b>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Patong Patong The Brick Stove Carbonizer Jan to June 2015.pdf</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style=""><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Dear Crispin<br><br></div>Thanks for the compliments. <br><br></div>About the pot rest, its still early to tell as the stove is just a few weeks old. But that will be a good point of observation, that is if it gets coated with sooth or the sooth gets burned all the way. <br><br></div>I would like to promote the char making mechanism of this stove for several reasons. <br><br></div>First is the charcoal here at my locality is more expensive than raw fuel. Canarium yields a premium kind of charcoal. The following is my quick computation of the local market prices of fuel and charcoal: <br><br>
<p class="" style=""><span style="" lang="en-US"><i>One set of meal for a person of six require about 2 kg.<span style=""> </span>of<span style=""> canarium</span> shells at a cost of Php 8 per meal or Php 24 daily. After each day, about 1.5 kg of char may be harvested and this has a market value of Php 37.50 !!</i> </span><span style="font-family:"Agency FB";font-weight:bold" lang="en-US">Thus a net of Php 13.50 daily. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:"Adobe Garamond Pro";font-weight:bold" lang="en-US">Retail stores sell charcoal at Php 10 per 400 gram packets. A family consumes at least 3 packets daily or at least Php 30 daily for wood charcoal for their meals. <br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Another reason is because the char from gasification is of higher quality (porosity) than charcoal produced from conventional earth kilns. As an independent consultant, I am actively involved in waste management and urban gardening campaigns at disaster prone communities here in the Philippines. Stoves, bio char, waste management, sanitation and gardening comes tightly altogether. <br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><br> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">Regards</p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="">JEd <br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:8pt;font-family:"Adobe Garamond Pro";font-weight:bold" lang="en-US"></span><span style="" lang="en-US"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style=""><br><span style="" lang="en-US"></span><span style="" lang="en-PH"></span></p>
<br><br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><b><span style="font-family:garamond,serif">Joshua B. Guinto<br></span></b><span style="font-family:garamond,serif">Specialist, Appropriate Technology<br></span></div><span style="font-family:garamond,serif">MSc Management of AgroEcological Knowledge and Social Change (MAKS)<br></span></div><span style="font-family:garamond,serif">Wageningen University, The Netherlands</span> <span style="font-family:garamond,serif">2006 to 2008</span><b><br></b><br></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-06-05 9:43 GMT+08:00 Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-CA"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dear Joshua<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I congratulate you on incorporating multiple innovations on the stove. I really like the use of a handful of sand (or grog) as an air controller. Usually available everywhere!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The pot rest looks really strong. Does it get coated with soot?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I am wondering why you are creating charcoal instead of optimising the operating cost. The fuel is purchased and the cost of operation would be reduced if you burned the all fuel purchased. Does anyone want to buy the charcoal from this process?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks<br>Crispin in Java<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-top:none;border-left:solid #f0f0f0 1.0pt;border-bottom:none;border-right:solid #f0f0f0 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div style="border-top:none;border-left:solid #eaeaea 1.0pt;border-bottom:none;border-right:solid #eaeaea 1.0pt;padding:0cm 24.0pt 0cm 24.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444"><a href="mailto:jed.building.bridges@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none">Joshua Guinto</span></a> has shared the following PDF:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid white 3.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;display:table-row"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><img src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/documents/share/images/services/pdf-3.png" border="0"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_QmamNABHVRaVdIWTd3QXRoUnc/view?usp=sharing_eid&invite=CNmUnMUN" target="_blank"><span style="color:#3367d6;text-decoration:none">Patong Patong The Brick Stove Carbonizer Jan to June 2015.pdf</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><img src="https://drive.google.com/c/u/0/photos/public/AIbEiAIAAABDCMjLjLyz-__0MiILdmNhcmRfcGhvdG8qKDBjNzc4NjM4Nzc3N2Y2YTU2NmQxNGExNGM4NDViYjQwNWZmODgwNjYwATWlbV54IAwz_WGWZx_CCVQhFoo3" alt="Sender's profile photo" border="0" width="50"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#262626">Dear Dr. Paul, Dean, Ron, Art, Anders, Kirk, JJ, Jon, Richard, and Everyone<br><br>I hereby share with you the second stage of my work on the brick stove gasifier/carbonizer. It began from the lessons i learned during the 2014 Stove Camp at Aprovecho. where i learned how to overcome the limitations of the holey roket i built. It was then when i realized the low firepower of the stove, the difficulty of feeding the fuel and the fragility during transport.<br><br>Please see <a href="https://drive.google.com/drive/my-drive" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/drive/my-drive</a><br><br>From November 2014 until now, i tinkered with so many fronts:preparing the best clay recipe, pulling in secondary air, making the shape and size of each bricks, creating the moulds, designing the fuel ports, the air controls, the metal shell, the pot rest, harvesting the char etc.<br><br>I hereby share with you all my work in the attached photo narrative. At the same time i would like to solicit more comments on how to improve further, Also i would like to find support to have this stove model tested in the laboratory.<br><br>A smaller model for the kitchen in now underway on a test manufacturing mode.<br><br>Kind regards to everyone.<br><br>Jed<br><br><br>Joshua B. 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