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    Jed,<br>
    <br>
    Your reply reveals that your are well in command of what is
    happening.   Best wishes, and please keep us all informed.<br>
    <br>
    About TChar, perhaps the biggest disadvantage is that at the time of
    transition from TLUD (MPF) operation to the charcoal burning
    operation, the cook pot needs to be removed, then the upper part
    (T-Top) needs to be remove, then the pot placed on the charcoal
    burner (T-Bottom).   And so, if your upper part is ceramic, it could
    be weighty and could be rather hot (so need cool, warm handles). 
    Only practical experience will be able to determine what procedures
    the cooks will accept.<br>
    <br>
    About the coco palm fronds (and other non-forest biomass as fuel), a
    key point when you introduce your TLUD stove is to encourage people
    with the fronds, etc to become fuel providers.    Literally, a fuel
    supply chain needs to be established.   The farmers do not have the
    time to do the sales of biomass fuel to the individual households.  
    EVERYBODY needs to gain a little in the supply chain.   If you as
    the stove developer and manufacturer can play a role to help
    establish the fuel supply chain, that would be a great assist toward
    establishing these TLUD stoves that nicely burn non-traditional
    fuels if available.<br>
    <br>
    We await your next round of results.<br>
    <br>
    Doc<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD  
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   
Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/2015 11:45 AM,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jed.building.bridges@gmail.com">jed.building.bridges@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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              Joshua Guinto [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jed.building.bridges@gmail.com">mailto:jed.building.bridges@gmail.com</a>] <br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 06, 2015 4:10 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Patong Patong The Brick Stove
              Carbonizer Jan to June 2015.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
                  Doc Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks
                for your comments I value your thoughts and will
                consider every bit of them during the next round of
                refinements. <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Please see my reply in between your
              lines. <br>
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              <span class="im">1.  You wrote:</span><br>
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              <span class="im"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><i>One set of meal for a person of six
                require about 2 kg.  of  canarium shells at a cost of
                Php 8 per meal or Php 24 daily. After each day, about
                1.5 kg of char may be harvested and this has a market
                value of Php 37.50 !!</i> <b><span
                  style="font-family:"Agency
                  FB","sans-serif"">Thus a net of Php
                  13.50 daily. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Only 0.5
              kg weight loss???  And that is only 25% of the original
              weight of the fuel???   Something seems to not be
              correct.   Please verify.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Ok surely will soonest. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
              2.  Your description indicates that you are trying to save
              the created char (whatever amount is still there after the
              cooking is finished) by blocking off the air inlets.   It
              would be better (IMO) if you simply pulled out the
              remaining char to be quenched in a bucket with some water
              or in a truly air-tight container or smothered with sand
              that also cools the char to where it will not be
              char-gasifying with the surrounding air.   But do not
              leave the created char in the stove.   That is asking too
              much from the stove that has done a wonderful job for
              cooking, but it is not designed for extinguishing
              charcoal.   The very smallest amount of incoming air will
              sustain the char-gasification and consume your char.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>I agree. Attached is a photo of
                putting the hot char in a metal pot and then cover it
                with the lid. It was very effective in harvesting the
                char. Please see attached Photo 9530 The remaining issue
                is about safety, that is the risk tiny bits of hot char
                falling on the floor or any combustible material
                somewhere in the kitchen. But let me work on that issue
                for the coming weeks. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <br>
              3.  Your method of operation is correct for adding raw
              fuel on top of the charcoal that was created.   The HEAT
              FROM BELOW is pyrolyzing the new fuel (and without any
              migratory pyrolytic front (MPF)), with the gases rising up
              and getting to the incoming secondary air for combustion
              as the cooking fire.   You are correctly NOT trying to
              cook with the charcoal as the source of cooking heat.  
              Your method correctly utilizes the height of the riser
              (internal chimney below the pot).   <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Im very glad to know. that i got it
                correct. Actually what i was trying to achieve is to
                bring in the fresh fuel under the hot char. But of
                course the hot char cannot be pushed up. The fresh fuel
                is either pushing the hot char to the side or the fresh
                fuel rest on top of the hot char. Either way, the gases
                rise to the upper coloumn of the chamber, get mixed with
                secondary air then up to the riser. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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              [[[ <b><u>IF </u></b>the cooking is to be done by the
              charcoal, the pot should be placed very close to the
              burning char, and no new raw biomass fuel would be
              added.   That way of cooking is with the TChar concept
              (described at my website for those who do not know this
              method) which does NOT allow adding more raw biomass
              during the charcoal-stove stage of cooking. ]]]<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>I viewed very closely the TChar at
                your website. It is  a very clever solution, that is
                having the stove in modules and taking off the
                gasification compoment and leaving the charcoal stove
                for cooking with charcoal. I think it is also very much
                doable with this PaPaBricStove, that is the upper module
                being taken off. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
              4.  Your stove does have two stages or phases of making
              heat.   The first stage is TLUD, but I think that it is
              incorrect to say that the second stage that is running as
              a Rocket stove.   It does not seem to have a shelf for the
              fuel with air entering under the burning tips of the
              inserted fuel.   <br>
              <br>
              What you have is (first stage) a TLUD stove with a MPF,
              and then (second stage) a bottom-burning heat source that
              pyrolyzes the fresh fuel that is placed upon the column of
              created charcoal, which is a form of bottom-burning
              up-draft.   That might be called BBUD, but that acronym is
              not well established.   It is not a bottom-LIT.    It was
              lit at the top and the fire reached the bottom and then
              burning continues at the bottom, but with LIMITED primary
              air (which is a gasifier characteristic.).   (I have
              written some about this in the "Micro-gasification
              Terminology...." document at my website:   <a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com"
                target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a>    (see Quick Picks
              listing to find the document.)   <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>I would like those communities with
                access to fuel supply of coco palm fronds and wood
                sticks utilize this PaPaBricStove with their available
                fuel. There is a vast such a community of coconuts and
                wood sticks. To illustrate,  I would like to see coco
                farmers bringing in bundles of coco palm fronds from
                their farms in the villages and selling them off at the
                stalls in public market thereby offsetting the wood
                charcoal trade. This shift would greatly release the
                pressure on our remaining forests. Those families
                producing charcoal will also be released from the
                hazards of heat fatigue and accidents while carbonizing
                wood. Let me test it further and will let you know how
                it goes. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
              It is important to understand what is actually happening
              in your stove.   I think what you are doing will become
              increasingly common as TLUD stoves are created with
              interiors (grates, walls, etc.) that can withstand the
              high heat of char-gasification that is so destructive to
              metal.  <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Yes, gasification gets the stove
                very very hot. And so at this point, i would like to
                bring matters of safety in the kitchen. Im persevering
                on this because of the safety issues i have to deal with
                households with children playing around the kitchen.
                Poor households in the Philippines have very limited
                space  More so in the urban poor communities and the new
                communities being created for the Typhoon Haiyan
                surviving families. Scalding and burns among babies and
                toddlers are among the accidents.I would like to
                preserve the moments of interaction of the children with
                their mothers as the food is being prepared in safe
                kitchen space. <br>
                <br>
                I now have here on the works bricks with secondary air
                tunnel embedded. The bricks are placed on top of one
                another while preserving the connection of the secondary
                air tunnels coming all the way from below and then
                shooting up and just below the riser. It is a very
                tricky process of creating such bricks and it took me
                several months of attempts. But the big advantage is for
                the secondary air tunnels to harvest the heat in the
                stove walls and bringing it up to the combustion zone as
                pre heated secondary air and at the same time keeping
                the stove walls cooler.  Will let you know how it goes.
              </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
               YOUR stove greatly overcomes that problem by having a
              ceramic interior.   Again, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Thank you very much Dr. Paul. These
                words of advice coming from you is very much
                appreciated. I would also like to thank other bright
                minds in this stove community from whom i learned: Engr
                Alexis Belonio, Rok Oblak, Richard Stanley, Dr Larry
                Winiarski, Dean Still, Art Donnely, Kirk Harris, Joe
                James, Ron Larson,  Jon and Flip Anderson, Crispin P
                Piggot, and all those i missed to mention  in the bio
                list serve, the potters of Tiwi Albay here in the
                Philippines, my workers and the cooks and mothers of the
                communities that i serve. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Joshua
                              B. Guinto<br>
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                            style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Specialist,
                            Appropriate Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">MSc
                          Management of AgroEcological Knowledge and
                          Social Change (MAKS)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Wageningen
                        University, The Netherlands</span> <span
                        style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">2006
                        to 2008</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">2015-06-06 11:34 GMT+08:00 Paul
              Anderson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Jed,<br>
                <br>
                Congratulations!!!    well done.   Those of us who have
                not developed skills for working with clay need people
                like you with those skills.   Some observations:<br>
                <br>
                1.  You wrote:<br>
                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><i>One set of meal for a person of
                  six require about 2 kg.  of  canarium shells at a cost
                  of Php 8 per meal or Php 24 daily. After each day,
                  about 1.5 kg of char may be harvested and this has a
                  market value of Php 37.50 !!</i> <b><span
                    style="font-family:"Agency
                    FB","sans-serif"">Thus a net of Php
                    13.50 daily. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Only 0.5 kg weight loss???  And that
                is only 25% of the original weight of the fuel???  
                Something seems to not be correct.   Please verify.<br>
                <br>
                2.  Your description indicates that you are trying to
                save the created char (whatever amount is still there
                after the cooking is finished) by blocking off the air
                inlets.   It would be better (IMO) if you simply pulled
                out the remaining char to be quenched in a bucket with
                some water or in a truly air-tight container or
                smothered with sand that also cools the char to where it
                will not be char-gasifying with the surrounding air.  
                But do not leave the created char in the stove.   That
                is asking too much from the stove that has done a
                wonderful job for cooking, but it is not designed for
                extinguishing charcoal.   The very smallest amount of
                incoming air will sustain the char-gasification and
                consume your char.<br>
                <br>
                3.  Your method of operation is correct for adding raw
                fuel on top of the charcoal that was created.   The HEAT
                FROM BELOW is pyrolyzing the new fuel (and without any
                migratory pyrolytic front (MPF)), with the gases rising
                up and getting to the incoming secondary air for
                combustion as the cooking fire.   You are correctly NOT
                trying to cook with the charcoal as the source of
                cooking heat.   Your method correctly utilizes the
                height of the riser (internal chimney below the pot).  
                <br>
                <br>
                [[[ <b><u>IF </u></b>the cooking is to be done by the
                charcoal, the pot should be placed very close to the
                burning char, and no new raw biomass fuel would be
                added.   That way of cooking is with the TChar concept
                (described at my website for those who do not know this
                method) which does NOT allow adding more raw biomass
                during the charcoal-stove stage of cooking. ]]]<br>
                <br>
                4.  Your stove does have two stages or phases of making
                heat.   The first stage is TLUD, but I think that it is
                incorrect to say that the second stage that is running
                as a Rocket stove.   It does not seem to have a shelf
                for the fuel with air entering under the burning tips of
                the inserted fuel.   <br>
                <br>
                What you have is (first stage) a TLUD stove with a MPF,
                and then (second stage) a bottom-burning heat source
                that pyrolyzes the fresh fuel that is placed upon the
                column of created charcoal, which is a form of
                bottom-burning up-draft.   That might be called BBUD,
                but that acronym is not well established.   It is not a
                bottom-LIT.    It was lit at the top and the fire
                reached the bottom and then burning continues at the
                bottom, but with LIMITED primary air (which is a
                gasifier characteristic.).   (I have written some about
                this in the "Micro-gasification Terminology...."
                document at my website:   <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a>
                   (see Quick Picks listing to find the document.)   <br>
                <br>
                It is important to understand what is actually happening
                in your stove.   I think what you are doing will become
                increasingly common as TLUD stoves are created with
                interiors (grates, walls, etc.) that can withstand the
                high heat of char-gasification that is so destructive to
                metal.   YOUR stove greatly overcomes that problem by
                having a ceramic interior.   Again,
                CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!<br>
                <br>
                Paul<br>
                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <pre>Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD  <o:p></o:p></pre>
              <pre>Email:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   <o:p></o:p></pre>
              <pre>Skype: paultlud      Phone: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
              <pre>Website:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 6/5/2015 9:53 AM, Joshua
                      Guinto wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">My goal is to
                            have a stove that can be manufactured by
                            village artisanal workshops with a
                            regulatory entity that ensures the quality
                            and safety. I also hope that there would be
                            a social enterprise that would support the
                            purchase of the stoves in favor of the
                            struggling food entrepreneur. Finally i
                            would hope that the food business sector
                            will eventually shift towards the use of
                            sustainable fuel supplies and then help
                            regenerate our denuded forests, farms and
                            gardens. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">There is still a
                          long way to go and there are so much that are
                          still a lot unknown.  Thanks for all the
                          questions. I will use them as guideposts
                          towards these discoveries.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Joshua
                                          B. Guinto<br>
                                        </span></b><span
                                        style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Specialist,
                                        Appropriate Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">MSc
                                      Management of AgroEcological
                                      Knowledge and Social Change (MAKS)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                                    style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Wageningen
                                    University, The Netherlands</span> <span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">2006 to 2008</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">2015-06-05 22:27 GMT+08:00
                          <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cec1863@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">cec1863@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="background:white">Bravo on all
                              fronts. Assuming you can get efficiency up
                              and emissions down so that the stove
                              performs well on standard tests and
                              equally well under real conditions of use
                              outside the lab, now the operator,
                              socio-economic, cultural, and
                              environmental performance assessment
                              begins: do we know who your PPBricStove is
                              to be used by? Who will fork over the
                              money to buy it after the performance
                              settles down? Can it be modularized and
                              mass produced or mass crafted in small
                              workshops? Will it fly off out of the
                              store or market stall without subsidy?
                              Does it function well enough to be
                              welcomed into most kitchens in your area
                              and also by small scale commercial food
                              vendors‎ and small scale home
                              'industrialists"? Can it compete head to
                              head woith well established traditional
                              stoves?<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              style="background:white">Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b>Joshua
                                        Guinto<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent: </b>Friday,
                                        June 5, 2015 7:53 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>To: </b>Discussion
                                        of biomass cooking stoves<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Reply To:
                                        </b>Discussion of biomass
                                        cooking stoves<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject: </b>Re:
                                        [Stoves] Patong Patong The Brick
                                        Stove Carbonizer Jan to June
                                        2015.pdf<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            Crispin<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">Thanks
                                          for the compliments. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">About
                                        the pot rest, its still early to
                                        tell as the stove is just a few
                                        weeks old. But that will be a
                                        good point of observation, that
                                        is if it gets coated with sooth
                                        or the sooth gets burned all the
                                        way. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">I
                                      would like to promote the char
                                      making mechanism of this stove for
                                      several reasons. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                                    style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">First
                                    is the charcoal here at my locality
                                    is more expensive than raw fuel.
                                    Canarium yields a premium kind of
                                    charcoal. The following is my quick
                                    computation of the local market
                                    prices of fuel and charcoal: <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p style="background:white"><i>One set
                                      of meal for a person of six
                                      require about 2 kg.  of  canarium
                                      shells at a cost of Php 8 per meal
                                      or Php 24 daily. After each day,
                                      about 1.5 kg of char may be
                                      harvested and this has a market
                                      value of Php 37.50 !!</i> Thus a
                                    net of Php 13.50 daily. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white">Retail
                                    stores sell charcoal at Php 10 per
                                    400 gram packets. A family consumes
                                    at least 3 packets daily or at least
                                    Php 30 daily for wood charcoal for
                                    their meals. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white">Another
                                    reason is because the char from
                                    gasification is of higher quality
                                    (porosity) than charcoal produced
                                    from conventional earth kilns. As an
                                    independent consultant, I am
                                    actively involved in waste
                                    management and urban gardening
                                    campaigns at disaster prone
                                    communities here in the Philippines.
                                    Stoves, bio char, waste management,
                                    sanitation and gardening comes 
                                    tightly altogether. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white">JEd
                                    <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                    <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Joshua B.
                                                      Guinto<br>
                                                    </span></b><span
                                                    style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Specialist,
                                                    Appropriate
                                                    Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">MSc
                                                  Management of
                                                  AgroEcological
                                                  Knowledge and Social
                                                  Change (MAKS)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Wageningen
                                                University, The
                                                Netherlands</span> <span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">2006 to 2008</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                                      style="background:white">2015-06-05
                                      9:43 GMT+08:00 Crispin
                                      Pemberton-Pigott <<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com"
                                        target="_blank">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                            lang="EN-CA">Dear Joshua</span><span
                                            lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                            lang="EN-CA"> </span><span
                                            lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                            lang="EN-CA">I congratulate
                                            you on incorporating
                                            multiple innovations on the
                                            stove. I really like the use
                                            of a handful of sand (or
                                            grog) as an air controller.
                                            Usually available
                                            everywhere!</span><span
                                            lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                            lang="EN-CA"> </span><span
                                            lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                            lang="EN-CA">The pot rest
                                            looks really strong. Does it
                                            get coated with soot?</span><span
                                            lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                            lang="EN-CA"> </span><span
                                            lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                            lang="EN-CA">I am wondering
                                            why you are creating
                                            charcoal instead of
                                            optimising the operating
                                            cost. The fuel is purchased
                                            and the cost of operation
                                            would be reduced if you
                                            burned the all fuel
                                            purchased. Does anyone want
                                            to buy the charcoal from
                                            this process?</span><span
                                            lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                                            lang="EN-CA">Thanks<br>
                                            Crispin in Java</span><span
                                            lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
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                                                      lang="EN-CA"><a
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href="mailto:jed.building.bridges@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span
                                                          style="text-decoration:none">Joshua
                                                          Guinto</span></a>
                                                      has shared the
                                                      following PDF:</span><span
                                                      lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
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moz-do-not-send="true" id="_x0000_i1025"
src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/docs/documents/share/images/services/pdf-3.png"
                                                          border="0"></span><span
                                                          lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
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moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_QmamNABHVRaVdIWTd3QXRoUnc/view?usp=sharing_eid&invite=CNmUnMUN"
target="_blank"><span style="color:#3367D6;text-decoration:none">Patong
                                                          Patong The
                                                          Brick Stove
                                                          Carbonizer Jan
                                                          to June
                                                          2015.pdf</span></a></span><span
                                                        lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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src="https://drive.google.com/c/u/0/photos/public/AIbEiAIAAABDCMjLjLyz-__0MiILdmNhcmRfcGhvdG8qKDBjNzc4NjM4Nzc3N2Y2YTU2NmQxNGExNGM4NDViYjQwNWZmODgwNjYwATWlbV54IAwz_WGWZx_CCVQhFoo3"
                                                        alt="Sender's
                                                        profile
 photo"
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                                                        width="50"></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#262626"
                                                      lang="EN-CA">Dear
                                                      Dr. Paul, Dean,
                                                      Ron, Art, Anders,
                                                      Kirk, JJ, Jon,
                                                      Richard, and
                                                      Everyone<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      I hereby share
                                                      with you the
                                                      second stage of my
                                                      work on the brick
                                                      stove
                                                      gasifier/carbonizer.
                                                      It began from the
                                                      lessons i learned
                                                      during the 2014
                                                      Stove Camp at
                                                      Aprovecho. where i
                                                      learned how to
                                                      overcome the
                                                      limitations of the
                                                      holey roket i
                                                      built. It was then
                                                      when i realized
                                                      the low firepower
                                                      of the stove, the
                                                      difficulty of
                                                      feeding the fuel
                                                      and the fragility
                                                      during transport.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Please see <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://drive.google.com/drive/my-drive" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/drive/my-drive</a><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      From November 2014
                                                      until now, i
                                                      tinkered with so
                                                      many
                                                      fronts:preparing
                                                      the best clay
                                                      recipe, pulling in
                                                      secondary air,
                                                      making the shape
                                                      and size of each
                                                      bricks, creating
                                                      the moulds,
                                                      designing the fuel
                                                      ports, the air
                                                      controls, the
                                                      metal shell, the
                                                      pot rest,
                                                      harvesting the
                                                      char etc.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      I hereby share
                                                      with you all my
                                                      work in the
                                                      attached photo
                                                      narrative. At the
                                                      same time i would
                                                      like to solicit
                                                      more comments on
                                                      how to improve
                                                      further, Also i
                                                      would like to find
                                                      support to have
                                                      this stove model
                                                      tested in the
                                                      laboratory.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      A smaller model
                                                      for the kitchen in
                                                      now underway on a
                                                      test manufacturing
                                                      mode.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Kind regards to
                                                      everyone.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Jed<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Joshua B.
                                                      GuintoSpecialist,
                                                      Appropriate
                                                      Technology<br>
                                                      MSc Management of
                                                      AgroEcological
                                                      Knowledge and
                                                      Social Change
                                                      (MAKS)<br>
                                                      Wageningen
                                                      University, The
                                                      Netherlands 2006
                                                      to 2008</span><span
                                                      lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <pre>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<o:p></o:p></pre>
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                    <pre>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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