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Jed,<br>
<br>
Your reply reveals that your are well in command of what is
happening. Best wishes, and please keep us all informed.<br>
<br>
About TChar, perhaps the biggest disadvantage is that at the time of
transition from TLUD (MPF) operation to the charcoal burning
operation, the cook pot needs to be removed, then the upper part
(T-Top) needs to be remove, then the pot placed on the charcoal
burner (T-Bottom). And so, if your upper part is ceramic, it could
be weighty and could be rather hot (so need cool, warm handles).
Only practical experience will be able to determine what procedures
the cooks will accept.<br>
<br>
About the coco palm fronds (and other non-forest biomass as fuel), a
key point when you introduce your TLUD stove is to encourage people
with the fronds, etc to become fuel providers. Literally, a fuel
supply chain needs to be established. The farmers do not have the
time to do the sales of biomass fuel to the individual households.
EVERYBODY needs to gain a little in the supply chain. If you as
the stove developer and manufacturer can play a role to help
establish the fuel supply chain, that would be a great assist toward
establishing these TLUD stoves that nicely burn non-traditional
fuels if available.<br>
<br>
We await your next round of results.<br>
<br>
Doc<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/2015 11:45 AM,
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Joshua Guinto [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jed.building.bridges@gmail.com">mailto:jed.building.bridges@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 06, 2015 4:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Patong Patong The Brick Stove
Carbonizer Jan to June 2015.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Doc Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks
for your comments I value your thoughts and will
consider every bit of them during the next round of
refinements. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please see my reply in between your
lines. <br>
<br>
<br>
<span class="im">1. You wrote:</span><br>
<br>
<span class="im"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>One set of meal for a person of six
require about 2 kg. of canarium shells at a cost of
Php 8 per meal or Php 24 daily. After each day, about
1.5 kg of char may be harvested and this has a market
value of Php 37.50 !!</i> <b><span
style="font-family:"Agency
FB","sans-serif"">Thus a net of Php
13.50 daily. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Only 0.5
kg weight loss??? And that is only 25% of the original
weight of the fuel??? Something seems to not be
correct. Please verify.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Ok surely will soonest. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
2. Your description indicates that you are trying to save
the created char (whatever amount is still there after the
cooking is finished) by blocking off the air inlets. It
would be better (IMO) if you simply pulled out the
remaining char to be quenched in a bucket with some water
or in a truly air-tight container or smothered with sand
that also cools the char to where it will not be
char-gasifying with the surrounding air. But do not
leave the created char in the stove. That is asking too
much from the stove that has done a wonderful job for
cooking, but it is not designed for extinguishing
charcoal. The very smallest amount of incoming air will
sustain the char-gasification and consume your char.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>I agree. Attached is a photo of
putting the hot char in a metal pot and then cover it
with the lid. It was very effective in harvesting the
char. Please see attached Photo 9530 The remaining issue
is about safety, that is the risk tiny bits of hot char
falling on the floor or any combustible material
somewhere in the kitchen. But let me work on that issue
for the coming weeks. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <br>
3. Your method of operation is correct for adding raw
fuel on top of the charcoal that was created. The HEAT
FROM BELOW is pyrolyzing the new fuel (and without any
migratory pyrolytic front (MPF)), with the gases rising up
and getting to the incoming secondary air for combustion
as the cooking fire. You are correctly NOT trying to
cook with the charcoal as the source of cooking heat.
Your method correctly utilizes the height of the riser
(internal chimney below the pot). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Im very glad to know. that i got it
correct. Actually what i was trying to achieve is to
bring in the fresh fuel under the hot char. But of
course the hot char cannot be pushed up. The fresh fuel
is either pushing the hot char to the side or the fresh
fuel rest on top of the hot char. Either way, the gases
rise to the upper coloumn of the chamber, get mixed with
secondary air then up to the riser. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
[[[ <b><u>IF </u></b>the cooking is to be done by the
charcoal, the pot should be placed very close to the
burning char, and no new raw biomass fuel would be
added. That way of cooking is with the TChar concept
(described at my website for those who do not know this
method) which does NOT allow adding more raw biomass
during the charcoal-stove stage of cooking. ]]]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>I viewed very closely the TChar at
your website. It is a very clever solution, that is
having the stove in modules and taking off the
gasification compoment and leaving the charcoal stove
for cooking with charcoal. I think it is also very much
doable with this PaPaBricStove, that is the upper module
being taken off. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
4. Your stove does have two stages or phases of making
heat. The first stage is TLUD, but I think that it is
incorrect to say that the second stage that is running as
a Rocket stove. It does not seem to have a shelf for the
fuel with air entering under the burning tips of the
inserted fuel. <br>
<br>
What you have is (first stage) a TLUD stove with a MPF,
and then (second stage) a bottom-burning heat source that
pyrolyzes the fresh fuel that is placed upon the column of
created charcoal, which is a form of bottom-burning
up-draft. That might be called BBUD, but that acronym is
not well established. It is not a bottom-LIT. It was
lit at the top and the fire reached the bottom and then
burning continues at the bottom, but with LIMITED primary
air (which is a gasifier characteristic.). (I have
written some about this in the "Micro-gasification
Terminology...." document at my website: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com"
target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a> (see Quick Picks
listing to find the document.) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">i<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>I would like those communities with
access to fuel supply of coco palm fronds and wood
sticks utilize this PaPaBricStove with their available
fuel. There is a vast such a community of coconuts and
wood sticks. To illustrate, I would like to see coco
farmers bringing in bundles of coco palm fronds from
their farms in the villages and selling them off at the
stalls in public market thereby offsetting the wood
charcoal trade. This shift would greatly release the
pressure on our remaining forests. Those families
producing charcoal will also be released from the
hazards of heat fatigue and accidents while carbonizing
wood. Let me test it further and will let you know how
it goes. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
It is important to understand what is actually happening
in your stove. I think what you are doing will become
increasingly common as TLUD stoves are created with
interiors (grates, walls, etc.) that can withstand the
high heat of char-gasification that is so destructive to
metal. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Yes, gasification gets the stove
very very hot. And so at this point, i would like to
bring matters of safety in the kitchen. Im persevering
on this because of the safety issues i have to deal with
households with children playing around the kitchen.
Poor households in the Philippines have very limited
space More so in the urban poor communities and the new
communities being created for the Typhoon Haiyan
surviving families. Scalding and burns among babies and
toddlers are among the accidents.I would like to
preserve the moments of interaction of the children with
their mothers as the food is being prepared in safe
kitchen space. <br>
<br>
I now have here on the works bricks with secondary air
tunnel embedded. The bricks are placed on top of one
another while preserving the connection of the secondary
air tunnels coming all the way from below and then
shooting up and just below the riser. It is a very
tricky process of creating such bricks and it took me
several months of attempts. But the big advantage is for
the secondary air tunnels to harvest the heat in the
stove walls and bringing it up to the combustion zone as
pre heated secondary air and at the same time keeping
the stove walls cooler. Will let you know how it goes.
</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
YOUR stove greatly overcomes that problem by having a
ceramic interior. Again, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Thank you very much Dr. Paul. These
words of advice coming from you is very much
appreciated. I would also like to thank other bright
minds in this stove community from whom i learned: Engr
Alexis Belonio, Rok Oblak, Richard Stanley, Dr Larry
Winiarski, Dean Still, Art Donnely, Kirk Harris, Joe
James, Ron Larson, Jon and Flip Anderson, Crispin P
Piggot, and all those i missed to mention in the bio
list serve, the potters of Tiwi Albay here in the
Philippines, my workers and the cooks and mothers of the
communities that i serve. </b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Joshua
B. Guinto<br>
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Specialist,
Appropriate Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">MSc
Management of AgroEcological Knowledge and
Social Change (MAKS)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Wageningen
University, The Netherlands</span> <span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">2006
to 2008</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2015-06-06 11:34 GMT+08:00 Paul
Anderson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jed,<br>
<br>
Congratulations!!! well done. Those of us who have
not developed skills for working with clay need people
like you with those skills. Some observations:<br>
<br>
1. You wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>One set of meal for a person of
six require about 2 kg. of canarium shells at a cost
of Php 8 per meal or Php 24 daily. After each day,
about 1.5 kg of char may be harvested and this has a
market value of Php 37.50 !!</i> <b><span
style="font-family:"Agency
FB","sans-serif"">Thus a net of Php
13.50 daily. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Only 0.5 kg weight loss??? And that
is only 25% of the original weight of the fuel???
Something seems to not be correct. Please verify.<br>
<br>
2. Your description indicates that you are trying to
save the created char (whatever amount is still there
after the cooking is finished) by blocking off the air
inlets. It would be better (IMO) if you simply pulled
out the remaining char to be quenched in a bucket with
some water or in a truly air-tight container or
smothered with sand that also cools the char to where it
will not be char-gasifying with the surrounding air.
But do not leave the created char in the stove. That
is asking too much from the stove that has done a
wonderful job for cooking, but it is not designed for
extinguishing charcoal. The very smallest amount of
incoming air will sustain the char-gasification and
consume your char.<br>
<br>
3. Your method of operation is correct for adding raw
fuel on top of the charcoal that was created. The HEAT
FROM BELOW is pyrolyzing the new fuel (and without any
migratory pyrolytic front (MPF)), with the gases rising
up and getting to the incoming secondary air for
combustion as the cooking fire. You are correctly NOT
trying to cook with the charcoal as the source of
cooking heat. Your method correctly utilizes the
height of the riser (internal chimney below the pot).
<br>
<br>
[[[ <b><u>IF </u></b>the cooking is to be done by the
charcoal, the pot should be placed very close to the
burning char, and no new raw biomass fuel would be
added. That way of cooking is with the TChar concept
(described at my website for those who do not know this
method) which does NOT allow adding more raw biomass
during the charcoal-stove stage of cooking. ]]]<br>
<br>
4. Your stove does have two stages or phases of making
heat. The first stage is TLUD, but I think that it is
incorrect to say that the second stage that is running
as a Rocket stove. It does not seem to have a shelf
for the fuel with air entering under the burning tips of
the inserted fuel. <br>
<br>
What you have is (first stage) a TLUD stove with a MPF,
and then (second stage) a bottom-burning heat source
that pyrolyzes the fresh fuel that is placed upon the
column of created charcoal, which is a form of
bottom-burning up-draft. That might be called BBUD,
but that acronym is not well established. It is not a
bottom-LIT. It was lit at the top and the fire
reached the bottom and then burning continues at the
bottom, but with LIMITED primary air (which is a
gasifier characteristic.). (I have written some about
this in the "Micro-gasification Terminology...."
document at my website: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a>
(see Quick Picks listing to find the document.) <br>
<br>
It is important to understand what is actually happening
in your stove. I think what you are doing will become
increasingly common as TLUD stoves are created with
interiors (grates, walls, etc.) that can withstand the
high heat of char-gasification that is so destructive to
metal. YOUR stove greatly overcomes that problem by
having a ceramic interior. Again,
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6/5/2015 9:53 AM, Joshua
Guinto wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">My goal is to
have a stove that can be manufactured by
village artisanal workshops with a
regulatory entity that ensures the quality
and safety. I also hope that there would be
a social enterprise that would support the
purchase of the stoves in favor of the
struggling food entrepreneur. Finally i
would hope that the food business sector
will eventually shift towards the use of
sustainable fuel supplies and then help
regenerate our denuded forests, farms and
gardens. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">There is still a
long way to go and there are so much that are
still a lot unknown. Thanks for all the
questions. I will use them as guideposts
towards these discoveries.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Joshua
B. Guinto<br>
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Specialist,
Appropriate Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">MSc
Management of AgroEcological
Knowledge and Social Change (MAKS)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Wageningen
University, The Netherlands</span> <span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">2006 to 2008</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">2015-06-05 22:27 GMT+08:00
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cec1863@gmail.com"
target="_blank">cec1863@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">Bravo on all
fronts. Assuming you can get efficiency up
and emissions down so that the stove
performs well on standard tests and
equally well under real conditions of use
outside the lab, now the operator,
socio-economic, cultural, and
environmental performance assessment
begins: do we know who your PPBricStove is
to be used by? Who will fork over the
money to buy it after the performance
settles down? Can it be modularized and
mass produced or mass crafted in small
workshops? Will it fly off out of the
store or market stall without subsidy?
Does it function well enough to be
welcomed into most kitchens in your area
and also by small scale commercial food
vendors and small scale home
'industrialists"? Can it compete head to
head woith well established traditional
stoves?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b>Joshua
Guinto<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent: </b>Friday,
June 5, 2015 7:53 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>To: </b>Discussion
of biomass cooking stoves<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Reply To:
</b>Discussion of biomass
cooking stoves<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject: </b>Re:
[Stoves] Patong Patong The Brick
Stove Carbonizer Jan to June
2015.pdf<o:p></o:p></p>
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Crispin<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">Thanks
for the compliments. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">About
the pot rest, its still early to
tell as the stove is just a few
weeks old. But that will be a
good point of observation, that
is if it gets coated with sooth
or the sooth gets burned all the
way. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">I
would like to promote the char
making mechanism of this stove for
several reasons. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">First
is the charcoal here at my locality
is more expensive than raw fuel.
Canarium yields a premium kind of
charcoal. The following is my quick
computation of the local market
prices of fuel and charcoal: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="background:white"><i>One set
of meal for a person of six
require about 2 kg. of canarium
shells at a cost of Php 8 per meal
or Php 24 daily. After each day,
about 1.5 kg of char may be
harvested and this has a market
value of Php 37.50 !!</i> Thus a
net of Php 13.50 daily. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white">Retail
stores sell charcoal at Php 10 per
400 gram packets. A family consumes
at least 3 packets daily or at least
Php 30 daily for wood charcoal for
their meals. <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white">Another
reason is because the char from
gasification is of higher quality
(porosity) than charcoal produced
from conventional earth kilns. As an
independent consultant, I am
actively involved in waste
management and urban gardening
campaigns at disaster prone
communities here in the Philippines.
Stoves, bio char, waste management,
sanitation and gardening comes
tightly altogether. <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="background:white"><b><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Joshua B.
Guinto<br>
</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Specialist,
Appropriate
Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">MSc
Management of
AgroEcological
Knowledge and Social
Change (MAKS)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Wageningen
University, The
Netherlands</span> <span
style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">2006 to 2008</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="background:white">2015-06-05
9:43 GMT+08:00 Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott <<a
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href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com"
target="_blank">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">Dear Joshua</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA"> </span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">I congratulate
you on incorporating
multiple innovations on the
stove. I really like the use
of a handful of sand (or
grog) as an air controller.
Usually available
everywhere!</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">The pot rest
looks really strong. Does it
get coated with soot?</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">I am wondering
why you are creating
charcoal instead of
optimising the operating
cost. The fuel is purchased
and the cost of operation
would be reduced if you
burned the all fuel
purchased. Does anyone want
to buy the charcoal from
this process?</span><span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-CA">Thanks<br>
Crispin in Java</span><span
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lang="EN-CA"><a
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style="text-decoration:none">Joshua
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has shared the
following PDF:</span><span
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target="_blank"><span style="color:#3367D6;text-decoration:none">Patong
Patong The
Brick Stove
Carbonizer Jan
to June
2015.pdf</span></a></span><span
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lang="EN-CA">Dear
Dr. Paul, Dean,
Ron, Art, Anders,
Kirk, JJ, Jon,
Richard, and
Everyone<br>
<br>
I hereby share
with you the
second stage of my
work on the brick
stove
gasifier/carbonizer.
It began from the
lessons i learned
during the 2014
Stove Camp at
Aprovecho. where i
learned how to
overcome the
limitations of the
holey roket i
built. It was then
when i realized
the low firepower
of the stove, the
difficulty of
feeding the fuel
and the fragility
during transport.<br>
<br>
Please see <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://drive.google.com/drive/my-drive" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/drive/my-drive</a><br>
<br>
From November 2014
until now, i
tinkered with so
many
fronts:preparing
the best clay
recipe, pulling in
secondary air,
making the shape
and size of each
bricks, creating
the moulds,
designing the fuel
ports, the air
controls, the
metal shell, the
pot rest,
harvesting the
char etc.<br>
<br>
I hereby share
with you all my
work in the
attached photo
narrative. At the
same time i would
like to solicit
more comments on
how to improve
further, Also i
would like to find
support to have
this stove model
tested in the
laboratory.<br>
<br>
A smaller model
for the kitchen in
now underway on a
test manufacturing
mode.<br>
<br>
Kind regards to
everyone.<br>
<br>
Jed<br>
<br>
<br>
Joshua B.
GuintoSpecialist,
Appropriate
Technology<br>
MSc Management of
AgroEcological
Knowledge and
Social Change
(MAKS)<br>
Wageningen
University, The
Netherlands 2006
to 2008</span><span
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