<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Dear all,<br><br></div><div>Sorry for my late response, because it was still in Idul Fitri holidays (Ramadhan end month festival).<br></div><br></div>I have contacted Ms. Camilla to respond all questions regarding the marketing and distribution of the Prime stoves, and she will do soon.<br><br></div>Have a nice weekend.<br><br></div>Regards<br></div>M. Nurhuda<br><div><div><div><br><br> <br><div><br> <br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Ranyee Chiang <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rchiang@cleancookstoves.org" target="_blank">rchiang@cleancookstoves.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dear Ron and all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I have forwarded your suggestion about testing to the Project Leader and Convenor of the ISO Technical Committee 285 Working Group
that is working on improving laboratory testing. This working group is making improvements to and expanding existing lab protocols to address multiple stove/fuel combinations, cooking practices, emissions, efficiency, safety, and durability.
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and ideas for the protocols being developed, the best way to influence things is to participate directly. For more information about how the ISO process, please see
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http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/standards/how-to-participate.html</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>From:</b> "Ronal W. Larson" <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> July 19, 2015 at 6:25:53 PM EDT<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>>, Dean Still <<a href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com" target="_blank">deankstill@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:camilla.fulland@primestoves.com" target="_blank">camilla.fulland@primestoves.com</a>>, Muhammad Nurhuda <<a href="mailto:mnurhuda@gmail.com" target="_blank">mnurhuda@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>Re: [Stoves] Story about a successful TLUD in Indonesia</b><br>
<b>Reply-To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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Agreed. Turn Down Ratio (TDR) is critical. We should be able to get 3:1 with TLUDs - and maybe more (Kirk Harris has sometimes done better). I should have asked Prof. Nurhuda and Ms. Fulland to comment on TDR and power levels as well as my other questions.
The story says they developed a larger TLUD model because of customer feedback. The video of operation shows a sliding door that certainly can have a maximum/minimum aperture ratio much greater than 3.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Your comment on avoiding constant tending is very important. Present testing is not mirroring what happens in the field. I hope that we can hear of new EPA/GACC stove testing protocols that include both limiting tending time and recording it.<u></u><u></u></p>
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I should have also noted that a standard fuel for this stove is short hunks of relatively thin branches. Takes some more effort but can go quick with a machete or axe/hatchet. That’s a lot faster/easier than splitting large logs and not much more work than
cutting to a uniform length. I’ve forgotten the optimum angle for cutting but I think is a little more acute than 45 degrees. Stacking vertically leaves too large an air space (not enough flow resistance). I hope we can hear more about the satisfaction
in the Philippines also with this fuel.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Best of luck in your upcoming stove camp. Aprovecho is providing a very valuable service. Please give us some daily feedback on what is happening soon in Cottage Grove.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have also gotten positive feedback about using TLUDs. In my opinion, folks seem to like the batch fed stoves, like coal, charcoal, liquid, and gas that don't need constant tending. They may not like a TLUD if it burns the rice, etc.
with inadequate turn down. Propane stoves, and other stoves, can have too low high power for making good tortillas.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>"In their search for an appropriate cookstove, Wojkowska and Nakamura were introduced to Professor Muhammad Nurhuda, a lecturer in theoretical physics at Brawijaya University in Malang, East Java. Professor Nurhuda had been working on
the development of a top-lit uplift gasifier stove, named the UB.03-01 stove. This stove used up to 80% less wood than a three-stone cookfire and produced no smoke when burning dry fuel. Made from sheet metal, the stove was lightweight and easy to transport
- a valuable feature in order to expand distribution to remote islands. The factory price of the stove, less than US$ 13, was far lower than imported cookstoves (in the range of US$ 30-50) and there was no risk of shipments being delayed in customs. This confluence
of innovative design, fuel-efficiency, portability and affordability made the stove extremely attractive from a technical and economical viewpoint.</i><u></u><u></u></p>
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