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    Frank,   see below.                                  (JSS for web)<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD  
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   
Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/9/2015 9:56 PM, Frank Shields
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      Thanks Paul for the comments,
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      <div class="">So you find the typical pellets suitable for your
        TLUD? and they operate at optimum as compared to other mostly
        non-uniform types biomass?</div>
      <div class="">This i find interesting. Thanks.</div>
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    Nothing is "optimum", but pellets come close.   Other biomass can be
    quite uniform, such as natural quarters or thirds of nut shells, or
    even segments of maize cobs.   And "too uniform" are the sawed
    pieces of wood that were the "standard fuel" of testing for many
    years (and somewhat still is) at Aprovecho because the flat surfaces
    would pack together and essentially become 2 or 3 times "thicker".  
    The greater factors are dryness (MC) and being too large, causing
    bridging with big air spaces.<br>
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      <div class="">When you talk of control over the primary air are
        you suggesting a fan? </div>
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    No.   I was referring to natural draft.<br>
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      <div class="">If not I would think the conditions of air flow is:
        1) diameter of combustion chamber 2) height of combustion
        chamber 3) percent air volume in the bulk fuel 4) shape of the
        air voids in the bulk fuel 5) temperature of the combustion 6)
        evenness of the flame front and 7) insulation of the combustion
        chamber.   Can’t think of anything else but that is quite a few
        variables. A fan would eliminate all these variables. <br>
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    Even a fan cannot overcome these variables if it cannot truly
    virtually cut off the air flow.   <br>
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    I was referring to a sliding door to block the air.   And it
    surprising how VERY LITTLE primary air can prevent control of a
    TLUD.   Leaks the diameter of a pin can prevent control.   That was
    the downfall of the Quad TLUD because the air slipped in past the
    tabs in the slots.   So the Troika was designed with better sealing
    of the bottom (and with one less leg and design factors, but air
    leakage was the Quad problem.)<br>
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      <div class="">With the GEK from All Powers Lab you could pipe the
        gases 30 feet where they are cool to the touch and the flame is
        a nice blue color with no smoke. Do you think it possible to
        achieve these conditions in your TLUD as the set-up are about
        the same. But the flame front and char above needs to be HOT. <br>
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    No.  GEK is a true downdraft, with the hot pyrolytic gases passing
    downward through the red-hot char bed, cracking the long
    molecules.   TLUDs release the pyrolytic gases upward.<br>
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      <div class="">The cool gases passing through the char zone and
        making it past the secondary are the gases Dean is talking about
        that with research might be removed from the fuel before using
        via torrification. This would be a very interesting research
        project. <br>
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    I disagree.   The gases removed by torrification are what the TLUD
    needs to burn to give the cooking flame.   And you will never get
    all of them released even as the material goes to higher
    temperatures, even when the biomass has become char-400 and then
    char-550 and char-800 degrees C and everything in between and
    beyond.   As Crispin and I and others point out, there are no "dirty
    fuels", just inadequate devices for their combustion.   Biomass
    cannot be cleaned up for use in a TLUD to do what a TLUD is not
    intended to do, which is to burn the pyrolytic gases.   Funding that
    research would take money away for viable research topics.  Trying
    to make a TLUD into a generator of gases for internal combustion
    engines is like training cows to run in the Kentucky Derby, because
    you  can train them, but they have no chance of winning that race.  
    But if you want milk, choose a cow, not a horse.  <span
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    Paul<br>
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      <div class="">thanks</div>
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                Alex,<br class="">
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                About the conditions of the fuel and above the fuel, we
                can also add the conditions in the bed of char that is
                above the MPF.   And the main factor that I am thinking
                of is the temperature in those zones above the MPF.  
                Imagine that the gases become rather cool before
                reaching the incoming secondary air, then there could be
                greater likelihood that some could slip past the
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                Frank asked about the preferred fuel sizes in my (or
                other) TLUDs.   I do not have such preferences.   I like
                pellets, of course.  But there must be allowance for a
                variety of sizes.   <br class="">
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                NOTE:  I advocate some form of control on the entry of
                the primary air that then can move upward.   TLUD stoves
                that rely on the sizes of the air passageways in the
                fuels as the control mechanism are seriously restricted
                to a specific size and shape of fuel.   <br class="">
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                Paul<br class="">
                <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD  
Email:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   
Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/9/2015 11:42 AM, Frank
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                  Dear Alex,
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                  <div class="">I think the fuel and the environment
                    above the fuel is both of equal importance. So do we
                    change the fuel or the combustion set-up? that is
                    the question. </div>
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                  <div class="">A stove system that is able to burn a
                    wide variety of fuels and widely sold may be
                    difficult and/or expensive to make adjustments for a
                    specific fuel. So in this case if it is easy to
                    change the fuel that may be preferred. I think the
                    answer to change the fuel or the stove system
                    depends on the amount of work and expense involved. </div>
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                  <div class="">Thats the way I look at it today. : )</div>
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                  <div class="">Regards</div>
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                  <div class="">Frank</div>
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                            If there are emissions that derive from fuel
                            directly and then escape further
                            'processing' by flame environments by
                            sneaking by , then they might be called
                            something like primary fuel derived
                            emissions. PFDEs. It is safe to say, I
                            think,that most of these would be
                            transformed into products of complete or
                            incomplete combustion in and around the
                            flame. I may be confused, but this mix would
                            likely have less to do with the fuel than
                            the environment above fuel.<br class="">
                            Hmm<br class="">
                            Alex</p>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On 2015-09-09 8:55
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                              <div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Dear
                                Paul and Stovers,
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                                <div class="">For ‘user-acceptance’ and
                                  ‘market driven’ I would think
                                  preparing the fuel optimized for your
                                  stove that quickly boils water with
                                  little dirty emissions is one and the
                                  same.</div>
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                                <div class="">I would think that would
                                  be drying and, perhaps as Dean has
                                  mentioned, driving off some of the
                                  early volatiles that may pass the
                                  secondary before complete combustion.</div>
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                                <div class="">Paul - Do you have
                                  information as to the optimum size and
                                  shape the biomass should be for your
                                  stove? That should be determined.</div>
                                <div class="">Then we go to testing the
                                  parameters of the biomass like carbon
                                  bulk density and carbon particle
                                  density along with water soluble
                                  sugars  and lipids that may contribute
                                  to poor emissions. It could be as
                                  simple as soaking and draining out
                                  constituents to improve the quality as
                                  well as heating to drive off the early
                                  volatiles. </div>
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                                <div class="">But first we need to find
                                  what it is in the fuel that causes the
                                  poor emissions. That could be to take
                                  some problem biomass and get a
                                  baseline from testing. </div>
                                <div class="">Then pre-heat to drive off
                                  early volatiles and re-test. Then
                                  using another batch soak in hot water,
                                  drain, dry and re-test. And finally
                                  soak in a solvent, drain, dry and
                                  re-test. </div>
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                                <div class="">Using emissions tests to
                                  get ratios of emission components and
                                  particles might be enough to determine
                                  success. Or add helium surrogate to
                                  get absolute concentrations as they
                                  are produced might be info that would
                                  help. </div>
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                                <div class="">Regards</div>
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                                <div class="">Frank</div>
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                                          text="#000000" class=""> Frank
                                          and Stovers,<br class="">
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                                          My simplistic interest in the
                                          "induced drying" of biomass
                                          fuels is related to improving
                                          the user-acceptance of the
                                          TLUD cookstoves and the
                                          establishment of some fuel
                                          marketing chain.   The degree
                                          of drying / torrification
                                          would be market driven, not
                                          related to emissions or
                                          technical characteristics of
                                          the resultant fuels.   <br
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                                          As the degree of drying /
                                          heating of the fuels
                                          increases, the cost of that
                                          processing will rise.   So I
                                          favor the minimum treatment
                                          that will benefit the customer
                                          and will justify the increase
                                          in fuel price.   <br class="">
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                                          A favorable situation would be
                                          to use essentially waste heat
                                          to prepare the future fuel
                                          supplies.  Or expend a small
                                          amount of fuel to prepare a
                                          much larger amount of fuel
                                          that will be sold with
                                          sustainable profitability.<br
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Skype: paultlud      Phone: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank" class="">+1-309-452-7072</a>
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                                            <div class="">On 9/8/2015
                                              3:55 PM, Frank Shields
                                              wrote:<br class="">
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote type="cite"
                                              class=""> Dear Paul,
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">Making
                                                batches of different
                                                degrees of torrification
                                                biofuels is one thing
                                                and then testing and
                                                interpreting the results
                                                is another. </div>
                                              <div class="">Do we
                                                measure success on
                                                emissions or time it
                                                takes to boil water? And
                                                them we have other
                                                variables like bulk
                                                carbon density and
                                                particle carbon density.
                                                Volatiles and adding
                                                moisture. Size and shape
                                                will be important. </div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">So once we
                                                figure out a way of
                                                making constant quality
                                                material for testing
                                                there is still a lot of
                                                research work to do.
                                                Agreeing on what we use
                                                as a measure of success
                                                is the first.</div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">regards</div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="">Frank</div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                              </div>
                                              <div class=""><br class="">
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <div
style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"
                                                    class="">
                                                    <div class="">Frank
                                                      Shields</div>
                                                    <div class=""><a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com">franke@cruzio.com</a></a></div>
                                                    <div class=""><br
                                                        class="">
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <br class="">
                                                  <br class="">
                                                </div>
                                                <br class="">
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    type="cite" class="">
                                                    <div class="">On Sep
                                                      6, 2015, at 5:32
                                                      AM, Paul Anderson
                                                      <<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></a>>


                                                      wrote:</div>
                                                    <br class="">
                                                    <div class="">
                                                      <div
                                                        bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
                                                        text="#000000"
                                                        class=""> Dear
                                                        all,<br class="">
                                                        <br class="">
                                                        While agreeing
                                                        with Frank and
                                                        Dean, I suggest
                                                        that there are
                                                        sufficient
                                                        "degrees of
                                                        torrification"
                                                        that we should
                                                        subdivide the
                                                        discussion.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        <br class="">
                                                        1.  Wet or green
                                                        wood      High
                                                        moisture content
                                                        (MC)<br class="">
                                                        2.  Dried in 20%
                                                        MC range<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        3.  Dried to 10%
                                                        MC or less<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        4.  Kiln dried  
                                                        (heated to ????
                                                        degrees C)<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        5.  Super dried
                                                        (heated to maybe
                                                        120 C)<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        6.  Toasted
                                                        (slightly
                                                        browning)    120
                                                        to 180 C ???<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        7.  Early
                                                        torrified                    
                                                        180 - 240  C ??<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        8.  Fully
                                                        torrified               
                                                        240 - 300 C  ??<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        9.  Undergoing
                                                        pyrolysis    
                                                        above 300 C ???<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        10.  And then we
                                                        have different
                                                        "chars" based on
                                                        temperatures
                                                        during
                                                        production, 400
                                                        C,  450 C,  550
                                                        C, 700 C, 900 C<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        <br class="">
                                                        LOTS of question
                                                        marks there.  
                                                        Frank and others
                                                        can refine this
                                                        much better.   
                                                        Issues of MC and
                                                        temperatures and
                                                        "names" (and
                                                        related to
                                                        sufficient time
                                                        to have the heat
                                                        impact reach the
                                                        center of the
                                                        pieces of
                                                        biomass, not
                                                        just flash
                                                        heating), and
                                                        probably more
                                                        variables.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        <br class="">
                                                        To just say
                                                        "torrified"
                                                        leaves too many
                                                        uncertainties
                                                        and possible
                                                        mis-understandings
                                                        / assumptions by
                                                        the large number
                                                        of readers in
                                                        different
                                                        cultures and
                                                        with different
                                                        experiences.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        <br class="">
                                                        I can say that
                                                        TLUD stoves
                                                        (when properly
                                                        made and with
                                                        consistent MC in
                                                        the fuels) work
                                                        very well with
                                                        the 3, 4, 5, and
                                                        6 (above)
                                                        fuels.   They do
                                                        not like much
                                                        moisture
                                                        content, and
                                                        they do not want
                                                        the fuel to be
                                                        already
                                                        partially
                                                        charred.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        <br class="">
                                                        Reasonable
                                                        quality fuel
                                                        supply is so
                                                        important for
                                                        TLUD
                                                        acceptance.  
                                                        More work could
                                                        be done about
                                                        this.<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        <br class="">
                                                        Paul<br class="">
                                                        <br class="">
                                                        <pre cols="72" class="">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD  
Email:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>   
Skype: paultlud      Phone: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank" class="">+1-309-452-7072</a>
Website:  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com/" target="_blank" class="">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
                                                        <div class="">On
                                                          9/5/2015 11:45
                                                          PM, Frank
                                                          Shields wrote:<br
                                                          class="">
                                                        </div>
                                                        <blockquote
                                                          type="cite"
                                                          class=""> Dear
                                                          Dean, Stovers,
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">I
                                                          have not
                                                          worked with
                                                          stoves but
                                                          working with
                                                          all types of
                                                          pellets
                                                          (paper,
                                                          manures, etc.)
                                                          and good
                                                          quality wood
                                                          pellets I find
                                                          they burn in
                                                          pipes very
                                                          poorly and
                                                          seem they are
                                                          really just
                                                          good for
                                                          pellet stoves
                                                          dropping in
                                                          one at a
                                                          time. </div>
                                                          <div class="">I
                                                          think you may
                                                          be on to
                                                          something in
                                                          regards to
                                                          torrifying to
                                                          some extent
                                                          before using
                                                          to get a
                                                          cleaner
                                                          combustion. I
                                                          see the real
                                                          challenge is
                                                          quality
                                                          control
                                                          because
                                                          torrification
                                                          takes place in
                                                          a very narrow
                                                          range and it
                                                          is so easy to
                                                          have a
                                                          ‘run-a-way’
                                                          combustion
                                                          that heats
                                                          higher than
                                                          the setting
                                                          you want. I
                                                          was able to
                                                          achieve that
                                                          in my pipes
                                                          but only after
                                                          much practice
                                                          and   s l o w
                                                          l y    raising
                                                          the
                                                          temperature to
                                                          desired
                                                          amount. Not
                                                          sure how this
                                                          would be done
                                                          commercially. 
                                                          It would be a
                                                          very
                                                          interesting
                                                          project. </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">We
                                                          also may be
                                                          able to get
                                                          clean
                                                          combustion by
                                                          finding
                                                          constituents
                                                          in the pellets
                                                          (and all
                                                          biomass for
                                                          that matter)
                                                          that create
                                                          these large
                                                          organic
                                                          volatile
                                                          structures
                                                          that give
                                                          problems and
                                                          eliminate them
                                                          from the
                                                          fuel. </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">Regards</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">Frank</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">  </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div
style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">Frank

                                                          Shields</div>
                                                          <div class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com">franke@cruzio.com</a></a></div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">On
                                                          Sep 3, 2015,
                                                          at 12:28 PM,
                                                          Dean Still
                                                          <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:deankstill@gmail.com">deankstill@gmail.com</a></a>>




                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div dir="ltr"
                                                          class="">Hi
                                                          Frank,
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">After

                                                          limited
                                                          experience in
                                                          Uganda and
                                                          China my
                                                          experience is
                                                          that it's not
                                                          easy to make
                                                          clean burning
                                                          recipes for
                                                          biomass
                                                          pellets. 
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">Seems

                                                          like the
                                                          torrified
                                                          pellets emit
                                                          less PM but we
                                                          need to do
                                                          more tests.</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">Best,</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">Dean</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On

                                                          Thu, Sep 3,
                                                          2015 at 8:44
                                                          AM, Frank
                                                          Shields <span
                                                          dir="ltr"
                                                          class=""><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                                          href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com">franke@cruzio.com</a></a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          class="gmail_quote"
                                                          style="margin:0

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                                                          <div
                                                          dir="auto"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">Dear

                                                          Chispin and
                                                          stovers</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">Of

                                                          course no
                                                          mention of the
                                                          quality of the
                                                          pellets! In
                                                          the U.S. The
                                                          go through
                                                          standard
                                                          testing and
                                                          results
                                                          labeled</div>
                                                          <div class="">On

                                                          bags. But
                                                          pellets are
                                                          made of all
                                                          sorts of
                                                          materials and
                                                          energy values
                                                          and volatile
                                                          profiles.   It
                                                          would seem
                                                          this would be
                                                          part of the
                                                          discussion. </div>
                                                          <div class="">Thanks</div>
                                                          <div class="">Frank<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Sent from my
                                                          iPhone</div>
                                                          <div class=""><br
                                                          class="">
                                                          On Sep 3,
                                                          2015, at 6:13
                                                          AM, Crispin
                                                          Pemberton-Pigott
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a></a>>




                                                          wrote:<br
                                                          class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite"
                                                          class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Dear


                                                          Friends</p>
                                                          <div class=""> <br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">There

                                                          is a broad
                                                          move around
                                                          the world to
                                                          create
                                                          pelleted fuel
                                                          from biomass
                                                          and burn it in
                                                          tighter
                                                          spaces. This
                                                          report was
                                                          noted in the
                                                          Alliance for
                                                          Green Heat
                                                          newsletter:</p>
                                                          <div class=""> <br
                                                          class="">
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt"
                                                          class=""><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue"
                                                          class=""><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001d7dcszljjgfEKYA31aaHyRsMRRejQSaDUDJHpy5B3lPW1W0QcteHERbDFukIhEc2-_1cKtvym49J_ai7zvt1WWN26UenG3N6joIskOVraQhcc__S5dpEwVlcw8pbpwWuwRufyvZSstnraBJTXAbr2wOPL-tX7Wypj3swduscC5I1Staun8b2olWMeGwuEsLEKsSA0qsYd2J1B5b7fDXOH7vLn_jPI3y12xty5nULquL9LCJu6LE7P-Ysu5qiL45LFwfyKNL4feu5XOzEawUh0a7X5VAZM8fb7F4K1l1kHGeFIFftvkxNTEEi9J_I05V6LKmiIZSk4GOQXJRAMRf5NDba52L-Wn_9jVkbpqju9Kifq8bMZm_xowV5Qn2NerYbUfu00_a4isbrvL9gktLkSQ==&c=WnPhxOQ3V-ic1ZJ3NBDpcipfRPq-UdIrBKPYwMfkxe-_CRS45fkQ4w==&ch=gnDbpciWOWhz6yV0o8Zdcoli15r_rpgR21xk0iBJKKi_KYRnwLVmTw=="
target="_blank" class=""><b class="">Updated on the Mt. Vernon pellet
                                                          stove recall</b></a></span></p>
                                                          <p
style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt"
                                                          class=""><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#4f604f"
                                                          class="">Last
                                                          month, we
                                                          reported on
                                                          the recall of
                                                          2,000 Mt.
                                                          Vernon E2
                                                          pellet
                                                          stoves after
                                                          about 6
                                                          experienced
                                                          explosions
                                                          that shattered
                                                          the glass in
                                                          the front
                                                          door. No
                                                          injuries have
                                                          been reported.
                                                          The Alliance
                                                          wrote to HHT
                                                          asking for
                                                          clarifications
                                                          about what
                                                          caused the
                                                          malfunction
                                                          and whether
                                                          the stove
                                                          would be 3rd
                                                          party tested
                                                          again for
                                                          safety. </span><span
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                                                          class="MsoNormal">The

                                                          drive to
                                                          create better
                                                          combustion
                                                          often means
                                                          having a
                                                          staged
                                                          gasification-then-burning
                                                          type of
                                                          design. That
                                                          may be a
                                                          source of
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                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          know of at
                                                          least one
                                                          instance of a
                                                          very modern
                                                          TLUD coal
                                                          stove
                                                          explosion in
                                                          Ulaanbaatar
                                                          when the
                                                          operator
                                                          refuelled it
                                                          with a
                                                          significant
                                                          amount of
                                                          lignite (high
                                                          volatiles)
                                                          while it was
                                                          already very
                                                          hot. This
                                                          generated a
                                                          huge amount of
                                                          combustible
                                                          gas while
                                                          simultaneously
                                                          extinguishing
                                                          the gas
                                                          flame. 
                                                          Eventually it
                                                          heated up to
                                                          the point that
                                                          the gas
                                                          ignited and it
                                                          blew flaming
                                                          fuel out of
                                                          the top of the
                                                          stove, around
                                                          the room.  A
                                                          public
                                                          education
                                                          campaign tried
                                                          to prevent
                                                          exactly this
                                                          sort of
                                                          mis-operation.</p>
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